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the_ignored
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 Posted - 05/22/2002 : 14:18:30 [Permalink]
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crap, that didn't come out right. it's supposed to say that you can't refure claims 4 and 5, not just 4.
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Lisa
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Posted - 05/22/2002 : 23:37:31 [Permalink]
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/ksjj.html br /
Now we know who Kascey is. @tomic confirmed it with the e-mail addresses.
Do not feed this troll. Every argument he's heard before, and ignored it then too. Unless someone wants to make a psych study on why a mind would operate that way, I'd say leave this one alone.
(BTW, it was "Mocker Wall" over at JREF who found that link. Mocker recognized the style)
Lisa
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jec96
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 03:41:33 [Permalink]
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LOL, yet Kacey sends us to a web page for a christian theme park (God wants your money! He told us so!) as EVIDENCE that dragons, dinosaur, and man existed together.
And I'm still lookin' for them bones. C'mon KC, either shit or get off the pot.
f
"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
- Albert Einstein
I'm still waiting for the refute on the dino page...seems like you evos are at a stand still.
anyway
For dino blood web sites, check ut the following:
click here
and click here
and here
and also here
...and the sites go on and on.
Kacey
I've read the end of the bible....the Christians win.
Greetings all, first, I contacted an old friend of mine at Montana State, and he went to the approriate folks (department admin, senior instructors, the like ) and no one seen sto know anything about this story. Sure thaey found T-Rex bones, but Montana is a dino ones hunters delight. Why do you think Jack Horner settled there? And posting multiple links of either a. the same story repackaged or b. shoddy evidence with no peer reviewed testing to show validity proves nothing. It is up to the person presenting evidence to prove validity, and these sites donot even come close, especially when they use biblical quotes, which destorys credibility. Sorry, you lose.
-It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
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jec96
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 03:44:30 [Permalink]
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quote:
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LOL, yet Kacey sends us to a web page for a christian theme park (God wants your money! He told us so!) as EVIDENCE that dragons, dinosaur, and man existed together.
And I'm still lookin' for them bones. C'mon KC, either shit or get off the pot.
f
"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
- Albert Einstein
I'm still waiting for the refute on the dino page...seems like you evos are at a stand still.
anyway
For dino blood web sites, check ut the following:
click here
and click here
and here
and also here
...and the sites go on and on.
Kacey
I've read the end of the bible....the Christians win.
Greetings all, first, I contacted an old friend of mine at Montana State, and he went to the approriate folks (department admin, senior instructors, the like ) and no one seen sto know anything about this story. Sure thaey found T-Rex bones, but Montana is a dino ones hunters delight. Why do you think Jack Horner settled there? And posting multiple links of either a. the same story repackaged or b. shoddy evidence with no peer reviewed testing to show validity proves nothing. It is up to the person presenting evidence to prove validity, and these sites donot even come close, especially when they use biblical quotes, which destorys credibility. Sorry, you lose. oh, and Lisa, what ws that link again, the one you gave goes nowhere. I know I should not have fed the troll, but I could not help it, they look so pitiful under there bridge, clinging to there weak beliefs....
-It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
Edited by - jec96 on 05/23/2002 03:42:12
-It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
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SueW0
New Member
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 04:44:17 [Permalink]
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Now we know who Kascey is.
I recognized the email address as soon as I saw it, since I've been reading talk.origins for about 10 years. Karl was pretty persistent.
Sue
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 07:48:35 [Permalink]
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It also would appear that Kacey/Karl is also the individual with the screen name YEC, I used to drag over the coals on BeliefNet's Creation/Evolution boards. I found this term under Karl on TalkOrigins.
"...am I asking to much from you evo-babblers?"
Evo-babblers.
I can't recall how many times YEC also used this very same term.
And finally the final kicker as well:
Iridium nightmare on TalkOrigins
This argument was used multiple times on BNet such as here.
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opus
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 08:06:27 [Permalink]
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Why are people responding to this Kacey person? What ever he/she is it, ain't likely to be a Christian. This person is just baiting you to start a flame war. Very successfully I might add. If you like flaming then of course, fill your boots.
It should be obvious by now Kacey knows nothing about the bible or Christianity for that matter.
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 08:29:40 [Permalink]
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It should be obvious by now Kacey knows nothing about the bible or Christianity for that matter.
When did you have to know anything about the bible or Christianity to be a Christian? That's how you become an Atheist not a Christian.
All you have to do, to be a Christian, is say "The bible means yadda, yadda, yadda." and pick a verse at random. Tell the person you are talking to that this verse is a metaphor for your meaning and voilá you're a Christian.
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My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonize with my aspirations. ---Thomas Henry Huxley, 1860 |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 08:36:36 [Permalink]
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He had me bamboozeled right from the beginning. I thought he was a teenage girl. His writing is certainly all but juvenile. Took me a while and some info from others to realize otherwise. At which time, I took the gloves off, as did we all.
Me, I hope he hasn't left us forever. I like the taste of blood.
f
"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
- Albert Einstein
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opus
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 05/23/2002 : 20:31:41 [Permalink]
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When did you have to know anything about the bible or Christianity to be a Christian? That's how you become an Atheist not a Christian.
All you have to do, to be a Christian, is say "The bible means yadda, yadda, yadda." and pick a verse at random. Tell the person you are talking to that this verse is a metaphor for your meaning and voilá you're a Christian.
Well ok this is so. I just think it would be better to comment on rather than comment to Kacey. That why inosent third parties are not bamboozaled by he/she. This person cant be older than 20. It would be very sad to think an adult writes such drivel. Opps too late I momentarily forgot about Pat Robertson. It was bliss for awhile.
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jec96
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2002 : 03:06:49 [Permalink]
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Well, sometimes Trolls can be fun, and feeding the Troll is amusing, for a while but after a short period you have to smack them on the nose and send them back under the bridge.
-It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2002 : 15:29:41 [Permalink]
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Why are people responding to this Kacey person? What ever he/she is it, ain't likely to be a Christian. This person is just baiting you to start a flame war. Very successfully I might add. If you like flaming then of course, fill your boots.
It should be obvious by now Kacey knows nothing about the bible or Christianity for that matter.
start a flame war??? That's pretty amusing seeing how all the flames have come from the evobabblers.
Kacey
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2002 : 17:06:35 [Permalink]
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Ah KC, you're back!
So, let us get back to the unfinished business of bones. As the unfossilized 'T. rex' bone containing blood cells has never been described by mainstream science, I can only conclude that it's either non-existant or a fraud.
Actually, I read something about it a few years ago. If I remember right, it was never offered to scientists to examine. So, I conclude that the bone exists but is from a modern animal. Unfortunatly, Creationists have a history of such shennagans.
KC, we got to do better than this.
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Edited to touch up some spelling.
"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
- Albert Einstein
Edited by - filthy on 05/24/2002 17:11:19 |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2002 : 18:03:25 [Permalink]
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I took the liberty of lifting this off the IRC site. Not a bad read.
"A Creationist Conclusion
In the evolution view there have been at least five major extinctions of life during earth history. We may expect continued zealous efforts in coming years to tie these alleged extinctions to crater-like blemishes across the earth. Creationists challenge the time scale which widely separates these extinction events. In one alternative view, there was just one single major earth catastrophe of judgment which caused the near extinction of life, the Genesis flood of Noah's day. Thus the separate extinctions actually are closely related episodes taking place during the year-long global flood.
The K-T clay layer is just one small portion of sediment accumulation during the flood. There was both volcanic and collision activity associated with the flood, perhaps including Chicxulub and other craters (Froede and DeYoung, 1996). However, the dinosaurs were not driven to extinction at this time. Instead, living dinosaur types were sheltered aboard the Ark. They then gradually disappeared in post-flood centuries due to climate changes and other possible causes.
Several dramatic movies have portrayed deadly asteroids or comets pummeling the earth and endangering humanity itself in the years to come. The creation view is far more optimistic about the future, realizing that there is a definite future plan for mankind. We are not the result of chance, nor do we, or the earth's animal and plant life, face imminent extermination from a random space collision."
But, where are the bones? And the sediments that contain them?
f
"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
- Albert Einstein
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2002 : 18:19:44 [Permalink]
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I like this one by John Morris....Especially the second last paragraph....sums them all up really.
Listing all the differences between a fish and an amphibian, or a reptile and a bird, or reptile and mammal helps to clarify the immensity of evolution's task. Not only are there skeletal changes, but think of the totally new organs needed, different reproductive systems, altered respiratory and cardiovascular make-up, thermal schemes and on and on.
Step back and take a look at the big picture. Evolution, as a concept of everything, is worse than non-science, it is nonsense. The highly complex information laden DNA code cannot yet even be read by today's genomists. How could it have written itself by chance mutation or genetic recombination. Surely some things simply cannot be.
When a vote was taken as to who won the debate, I came out on top 32-1. The lone vote for evolution was an exchange student from Marxist China, and even he admitted I had the better arguments. He just didn't dare vote against the party line.
Maybe that's the key. It takes a prior, gut-level commitment to evolution to continue to favor it in spite of the weight of evidence to the contrary.
http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-b/btg-161b.htm
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