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@tomic
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 Posted - 06/23/2002 : 23:10:39 [Permalink]
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but the only thing I gotta keep trimming is my armpits...
That is sooooo sick 
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2002 : 02:33:52 [Permalink]
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Didn't you hear, you can go blind having sex?
I thought that was masturbation. Well, there's that And hairy palms, but the only thing I gotta keep trimming is my armpits...
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What's Vet stadium, btw?
Veterans Stadium in Pittsburgh, PA. Home of the Steelers football team.
Well yes, if you want to get technical about it, I guess you're right, it's masturbation. But I'm a man of few words and sex is sex so I just quickly wrote sex.
Thank's for the info about the sports. I never heard of Veterans Stadium and I forgot Pittsburgh had a team. But then, I only like to play football, not watch it. Only time I ever went to a pro football game was when the Rams played the Redskins here in Los Angeles. I was yelling 'Go Redskins' and the guy in front of me almost punched me.
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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Posted - 07/01/2002 : 16:54:10 [Permalink]
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What bothers me is the partnership the state has with tobacco companies. The tobacco companies get to produce a highly addictive product and the state gets to tax he hell out of the customers(addicts). It's a pretty sick relationship if you think about it abd how the 2 are basically teaming up to rape anyone silly enough to start smoking.
It is worse then that, I fear. While looking through todays rotten news I came across this article in the Charlotte Observer:
N.C. spends settlement on tobacco, not health
LIZ CHANDLER
Staff Writer
When North Carolina won a $4.6 billion settlement from tobacco companies, officials said they'd use the money to break tobacco's grip on the state.
They would help smokers quit and stop kids from starting. They would wean farmers off the golden leaf.
But since the money began flowing in 1999, not a dime has been spent on new health services, and only a fraction has gone toward moving tobacco farmers into other crops.
Instead, about 73 percent of the $59 million spent so far -- about $43 million -- has gone toward production and marketing of N.C. tobacco, an Observer investigation has found.more
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/07/2002 : 02:17:23 [Permalink]
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I wouldn't have a problem with this settlement if that were the case, the money used for helping smokers quit smoking. But they don't. I've been smoking for nearly 16 years, and I quit at least once or twice a year. Unfortunately, I'm a stress smoker and when I stress I'm not someone most people like, especially if I'm not smoking.
I voluntarily smoke outside - I figure I don't like the smell, someone who doesn't smoke probably has more reason not to like it.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2002 : 03:46:32 [Permalink]
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You know, since the tobacco companies are paying the states big bucks why the hell would the states try to eliminate smoking and the means of collecting that promised money from the tobacco companies? In these lean times that money must be especially dear to each state's budget.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2002 : 03:50:39 [Permalink]
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Unfortunately that does nothing to change the reason why the states are receiving the money - compensation for supporting all of us smokers with health problems. Wouldn't there be fewer problems if us smokers were able to quit. Think about it - how expensive was it for you with the Zyban? I know that the patch runs about $30 to $40 bucks more in a two week period than I spend on cigarettes. I'm pretty ok when I use the patch - but honestly, my budget can't afford the extra expenditure, even for the short time that it takes on the patch and the expected savings - it's that tight. A bit of help getting the patch would be a good way for the state to spend some of that money.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2002 : 05:07:52 [Permalink]
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Well, I smoked so much that Zyban was far, far cheaper. Even without insurance it's a lot cheaper but you are absolutely right that smokers should have some direct access to anything within reason that might help quit smoking. You have to wonder where all this money is actually going.
But you have to figure the state also likes the double dip when they tax cigarettes so heavily.
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2002 : 20:05:57 [Permalink]
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I've been smoking for nearly 16 years, and I quit at least once or twice a year
--That's an abuse of the term 'quit'. You didn't quit, you stopped. Then you started again. But you didn't quit if you lit another one.
I had a good friend in high school get WAY into coke and crack. Vomitting blood kind of sick. One day he just quit. He never touched the shit again. He also quit all drugs like pot too. He kept smoking cigarettes for about 6 months then stopped that too. I have no sympathy whatsoever for addicts.
I'm not against doing whatever you like. Smoke dope if it floats your boat, blow rails, shoot smack. I don't really care. But addiction is for sissies. Handle your shit or don't fuck with it.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2002 : 00:29:17 [Permalink]
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But addiction is for sissies. Handle your shit or don't fuck with it.
Right on! Solly.
Now, are you still going to tell me I live in a cave? I do try (to be a hermit)but even in California, I can't seem to get away from the damn smokers.
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2002 : 07:10:04 [Permalink]
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Man, caves are about the only place you might be able to escape smokers.
As for smoking areas in resturants, yeah right. I ate at a Black Eyed Pea last night. The smoking area was simply the half dozen tables by the bar. There was only a standard 4 1/2 foot partition between my table and the smoking table next to me. There wasn't even a seperate ventilation system over the smoking tables. Other than the ashtrays, there was nothing seperating this section from the rest of the place. Clouds from the smokers wafted freely over my table.
And the smokers probably would bitch that they were already persecuted to have thier own section to sit in.
No, I'm all for personal freedom to harm yourself anyway you see fit. But keep it to your damn self. Smoking 10 feet away from me does not constitute a smoker being conscious of others. It means you are willing to be minimally inconvienanced in not poisoning others with your habit. Gee thanks.
I do believe that the taxing of tobacco is a serious ethical problem for our government. Profitting from the addictions of your citizens is not way to earn revenue. The gobs of money from tobacco doesn't even go back into healthcare. It goes to funding projects that would never get funded on an open bill.
As long as the fed is a controlling member of the tobacco board (it wields more control over tobacco than any CEO) and a prime recipient of profits from it, then it's position as a disinterested, or interested on the side oh healthcare, party is compromised.
I don't see why booze manufacturers aren't getting pinged for the exact same lawsuits. Hell, even McDonald's is under the gun.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2002 : 02:52:43 [Permalink]
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--That's an abuse of the term 'quit'. You didn't quit, you stopped. Then you started again. But you didn't quit if you lit another one.
OK. I'll give you that. Everytime it's been with the serious intention of not lighting another one.
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And the smokers probably would bitch that they were already persecuted to have thier own section to sit in.
Well, not all of us. I actually sit in non smoking more often than not. I have a kid and she doesn't need to sit in smoking with me. I reserve that for my nights out drinking coffee when everyone else is sleeping.
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No, I'm all for personal freedom to harm yourself anyway you see fit. But keep it to your damn self. Smoking 10 feet away from me does not constitute a smoker being conscious of others. It means you are willing to be minimally inconvienanced in not poisoning others with your habit. Gee thanks.
Not that you wouldn't Solly, but if it bothers you, tell that person. Some of us will actually relocate or put the thing out.
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I do believe that the taxing of tobacco is a serious ethical problem for our government. Profitting from the addictions of your citizens is not way to earn revenue. The gobs of money from tobacco doesn't even go back into healthcare. It goes to funding projects that would never get funded on an open bill.
As I've said, the money needs to go where it will do some good - programs for quitting smoking. I'll be the first to tell you, I have not been able to quit cold turkey. I'm happy that you think you could and that you were never silly enough to start this nasty habit.
When it's cheaper 'short term' for a smoker to keep smoking they will likely not quit. Hey, I know that I stop smoking when I use the patch, but if I can never afford more than the first two week set of patches when it's supposed to take nearly 3 months, I literally can not afford to quit. I've tried cold turkey - I don't like being a royal bitch especially to my kid. She's a trying child. Ask Lisa.
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2002 : 12:53:43 [Permalink]
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As I've said, the money needs to go where it will do some good - programs for quitting smoking
--yeah it does, but it will never happen. The fed WANTS you to smoke. It's counting on it to produce huge tax revenue. Entire elections are won and lost in NC,SC, TN and KY over who's the most tobacco FRIENDLY. Officials from these states will never support anti-smoking anything. Even putting money into a cessation program is admitting to a health problem that the tabacco firms and the gov't want to deny.
That's why any legislation is weak and watered down. Lawsuits might hurt R.J. Reynolds, but no piece of law has. The gov't just makes too much money from tobacco (and booze for that matter) to ever do much to eradicate it.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 13:33:23 [Permalink]
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Conspiracy theory.
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The fed WANTS you to smoke. It's counting on it to produce huge tax revenue.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 19:39:06 [Permalink]
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Conspiracy theory.
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The fed WANTS you to smoke. It's counting on it to produce huge tax revenue.
Well, there are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy theories. I happen to think Solly's makes a lot of sense. It's also relatively easy to notice, unlike some I could mention.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 20:17:11 [Permalink]
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Conspiracy theory.
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The fed WANTS you to smoke. It's counting on it to produce huge tax revenue.
Well, there are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy theories. I happen to think Solly's makes a lot of sense. It's also relatively easy to notice, unlike some I could mention.
Conspiracy or not. Healthy or not. Libertarian view or not. I don't care, ALL smokers should be put on an island and never to be seen again.
Talk about various groups coming out of the closet..... I think smokers should go into closets, to smoke and breath their own filthy air, and keep it to themselves.
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*All lives are movie settings, it's what channel you're on that counts. Zatikia
*Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.
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