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Xev
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USA
329 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2002 :  19:23:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Xev an ICQ Message Send Xev a Private Message
@tomic:
Well....the subject of straw men made me think of flamethrowers, and I decided to research flamethrowers....and I saw the picture...and now it's my desktop too!

James:
quote:
Be careful, I bruise easily.


*Grumbles*

Next you'll be whining that the handcuffs are too tight.

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James
SFN Regular

USA
754 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2002 :  19:43:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send James a Yahoo! Message Send James a Private Message
quote:
James:
quote:
Be careful, I bruise easily.


*Grumbles*

Next you'll be whining that the handcuffs are too tight.


Have I mentioned I'm a virgin?

And I'm willing to try anything once. And if I love it, I'll try it again and again until I get tired of it.

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Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7 of your life.

Two more years...Two more years...Two more years...Two more years...Two more years...

*whine*
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Xev
Skeptic Friend

USA
329 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2002 :  20:58:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Xev an ICQ Message Send Xev a Private Message
James:
quote:
Have I mentioned I'm a virgin?


*Xev chokes and spits coffee onto her moniter*

What?

quote:
And I'm willing to try anything once. And if I love it, I'll try it again and again until I get tired of it.


Always an admirable strategy. ;)

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Xev
Skeptic Friend

USA
329 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2002 :  21:13:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Xev an ICQ Message Send Xev a Private Message
@tomic:
Lest I forget, I backtracked the url and found you some wallpapers:
http://www.chez.com/ryumaki/SHS.html

Very nice graphic design. All through Photoshop too.

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gezzam
SFN Regular

Australia
751 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2002 :  23:32:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit gezzam's Homepage Send gezzam a Private Message
quote:
Thanks, but I prefer actual sex to masturbation


Touche to that.

But whan you are on nightshift and the girl is away at work all day......well

"Damn you people. Go back to your shanties." --- Shooter McGavin
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andysnape
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United Kingdom
39 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  00:12:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit andysnape's Homepage  Send andysnape a Yahoo! Message Send andysnape a Private Message
I was watching a piece on Newsnight on BBC2 last night about the Creationist legal challenge in Ohio from a group called the 'Intelligent Design Network'. It seems that the more determined they are, the woollier they get.
quote:

If you feel you must, post the links. But, I'd wager that most if not all of us visit them occasionally.

Why do mostly unbelievers go to Creationist sites? Well that you might ask. The main reason is that we're curious. We might learn something. Another reason is that it's possible they might come up with something new and original. We'd like to see it. And a third reason is that they're often good for a laugh. We like to laugh.

Indeed, we got a good guffaw (once we got over being made ill by the subject matter)from Jack Chick's latest, comic masterpiece, just the other day. And Kent Hovind is always good for a chortle or two.

I, myself like Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research, two excellent repositories for evolutionary misinformation. Of course, my all time favorite is Landover Baptist.

I'm open to suggestions for other sites.

f


Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.
-- Rev. Jimmy Swaggart (source unknown)





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andysnape
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United Kingdom
39 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  00:20:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit andysnape's Homepage  Send andysnape a Yahoo! Message Send andysnape a Private Message
I refer you to the peppered moth example I gave on page 3
quote:

quote:
Slater posted:
"Storybook"? It has a magic pile of dust, a magic rib bone, and a piece of magic fruit. Not to mention one of the main characters is a talking snake and another a superman. Of course it is a storybook. A tale only fit for small children.




Now wait a minute Slater, would you have me believe that a lightningbolt struck a puddle of sludge and a cell emerged that turned into a fish, that sprouted legs, grew fur, stood up, ate bananas then learned how to build computers????

Talk about stories. Phew.

Six days



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andysnape
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/02/2002 :  04:18:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit andysnape's Homepage  Send andysnape a Yahoo! Message Send andysnape a Private Message
Six, you seem to have made the classic mistake that many people make when referring to sceptics. We sceptics are NOT people who believe or disbelieve certain things about the world. Sceptics are people who do not automatically believe something because it fits in with their political/religious etc viewpoints. A sceptic is someone who will look at a problem and/or possible solution with a critical eye, evaluate the evidence, evaluate contrary evidence, and make a decision based on reasoned arguments in the light of all sides.

You, however, seem to think that sceptics are people who refute the existence of ghosts and aliens. That is not true, because that would preclude some sort quasi-religious zeal. I am sure that there are people on the forum uploading very well argued messages refuting alien visitations, while at the same time believing in the alleged powers John Edwards or Colin Fry. As long as they can argue their case and do not whinge when challenged then they will still get the respect of the majority of the people here.

The problem is that so far, I have not come across anyone who believes in John Edwards and Colin Fry (the UK equivalent) who has been able to put forward such reasoned arguments to defend their viewpoints, and that goes for young Earth creationists like yourself.

If you look back over this thread, which you started, you will see that individuals have been constantly giving you the opportunity to put forward your case for creationism. You have replied by being rude and, quite frankly, immature. If you want to be a member of this forum, I suggest you grow up, stop throwing personal insults, present your case, absorbe criticisms and reply to them with reasoned and grown-up arguments.

That is what being a sceptic is all about; not what you believe in, but how you come to that belief.

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Hi, I new here and before I start posting I have a question.

Am I allowed to be skeptical about the theory of evolution?
I'm skeptical about crop circles, Jonathan Edwards and UFO's. Big Foot and Locknest are probably a hoaxes and I've never seen a ghost.
BUT
Evolution seems a bit far fetched. Enough to make me a skeptic, that is, if it's all right with you.
I kinda like the six day theory.

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  04:44:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I see I've missed a lot. I was busy and away from the computer yesterday and then had rituals to attend last night.

Alas, the rituals were futil. Satan, the lazy son-of-a-bitch, didn't show. And alter all the trouble of finding a virgin to sacrifice, too. Ah, well. Her blood was tasty.

Six, you disappoint me. I was hoping for some good, intense discussion, but thus far there has been nothing of substance. Hell, we had better from Kacey, for a while, anyway, and that's bad.

So, I must ask: Why are you here? Are you merely trying to smite the heathen? If so, you're not doing all that good a job of it.

So, let's start over. I sez that the six day Creation is a myth, a yarn spun by ancient, superstitious people, and I ask for evidence in support of it. Thus far, I've seen none.

luck

f


Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.
-- Rev. Jimmy Swaggart (source unknown)

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jmcginn
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343 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  07:08:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit jmcginn's Homepage Send jmcginn a Private Message
Guys

Sixdays is the same as Kacey/Karl Crawford/YEC. We our wasting our time with his trolling.

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Antie
Skeptic Friend

USA
101 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  07:32:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Antie's Homepage  Send Antie an ICQ Message Send Antie a Private Message
> Sixdays is the same as Kacey/Karl
> Crawford/YEC.

Yeah, I had a feeling it was really him. His "arguments" seemed too familiar.

Edited by - antie on 07/02/2002 07:32:53
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@tomic
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USA
4607 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  07:57:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
No, it's not Kasey. The IP addresses are from different countries.


@tomic

Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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James
SFN Regular

USA
754 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  12:02:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send James a Yahoo! Message Send James a Private Message
quote:

James:
quote:
Have I mentioned I'm a virgin?


*Xev chokes and spits coffee onto her moniter*

What?


Yep. Twenty-two and still a virgin. Masturbation helps, but sometimes it just doesn't cut it....

@tomic-

Stupid question:

Are KC's and Sixdays IP addresses on the same continent? If so, maybe they are one and the same.

But what the hell do I know?

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Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7 of your life.

Two more years...Two more years...Two more years...Two more years...Two more years...

*whine*
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Xev
Skeptic Friend

USA
329 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  12:51:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Xev an ICQ Message Send Xev a Private Message
Sorry James.

Do wish I was a little more single. Ah well. Soon, presumably, way things are going.

Well, I'll not whine about my life!

Happy birthday.

@tomic:
quote:
So, I must ask: Why are you here? Are you merely trying to smite the heathen? If so, you're not doing all that good a job of it.


He's presumably too stupid to troll very well.

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ktesibios
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USA
505 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2002 :  13:36:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ktesibios a Private Message
quote:

Sixdays is the same as Kacey/Karl Crawford/YEC. We our wasting our time with his trolling.



I thought so too, for a while, but Sixdays' style started looking too different from Kacey's.

The "la la la I can't hear you" attitude towards citations of evidence in support of specific examples of evolutionary processes is the same, and so is the whinging (Dobbs, that is such a COOL word)tendency to interpret being asked for evidence or criticized on logical grounds as personal attack. Those are probably generic to the creationist troll species.

As for differences, no red, nobody's been called an "evo" yet, no constant incorrect use of "ad hom", no breezy "next" after a display of density and Sixdays hasn't been trying to introduce any myths besides the xtian one...

@tomic's IP data is kind of like using chemical analysis to prove the forgery of the Donation of Constantine- it supports the deductions you can make from internal evidence.

In the first post on this thread, we had this:

quote:

I kinda like the six days theory



I kinda like the "I'm young, irresistably attractive, independently wealthy and known to one and all as an all-around great guy" theory.

And I can prove it! All I need is a Web page with retouched images of myself and my birth certificate, and some confusion about the "YTD" and "this week" fields on my pay stub.

Ford, there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out.
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