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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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 Posted - 07/17/2002 : 15:08:54 [Permalink]
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Maybe they should give the army add a warning, that people can get killed in wars. Now that I think about, it is strange that nobody has tried to sue about the fact, that there was no such warning, yet.
I hope you're joking!
Anyone stupid enough to not know that joining the army can lead to battle, which can lead to death, doesn't deserve any sympathy, much less a law suit.
I am only half-serious on this one. I would not think that such a lawsuit would be hustified or likely to sucessful, I have just heard of so many frivolous lawsuits espescially in the US that I would not be suprised if someone at least tried.
The high accident rate during military training was one of the many reasons, that led me to decide against serving in uniform when my country called. One memorable statistic showed that out of the about 2000 death during the first half-century of the existance of the German Bundeswehr only one was due to enemy contact. They did manage to accumulate about a million seriously wounded during this time, though. Things got considerably worse in the last few years after they actually started to take part in wars and what they call peace missions.
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Physiofly
Skeptic Friend
USA
90 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2002 : 18:18:34 [Permalink]
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To answer your question, Tokyodreamer, here are the raw U.S. Army accident statistics. The one statistic that would probably be most relevant is the accident rate per 1000 Army personnel. Compare that with the injury rate per 1000 high school football players. It's probably safer to be in a hostile fire zone then out on the high school gridiron.
Also keep in mind that the majority of those in the military are in combat support positions and not in direct combat. If I recall (working on memory here) in the Air Force only about 10 - 15% of personnel are in specialties that would put them direct fire.
"Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a
deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2002 : 03:06:44 [Permalink]
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Just snidely call someone else infallible, and you become infallible. You don't need to add anything to the conversation at all, just act like you are an expert. I'll try that next time.
Authority has every reason to fear the skeptic, for authority can rarely survive in the face of doubt.
-Robert Lindner
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Generalized, condescending clairvoyance
Oh, yes, they do,
(therefore infallible) version of their intentions,
enforce conformity to your version of reality.
Yes, we all know that
You are deviating a long way from any reasonable standard of rational discourse with these inflammatory characterizations, Gorgo.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2002 : 04:19:44 [Permalink]
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They're selling this to kids who think they're going to last forever.
Generalized, condescending clairvoyance
So, cigarette commercials should be focused at kids because they understand everything.
[quote Yes, we all know that the world media are conspiring with Bush to cover up the massive banana sweeps and daily massacres in
Central America that are primary mission of the US military. [/quote]
Strawman, strawman, strawman. Try to stick to reality, please.
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2002 : 16:37:01 [Permalink]
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Just snidely call someone else infallible, and you become infallible.
Will you condescend to share with us how this is so? My attack on your constant presumption of authority does not make me the one pretending to be an expert. This is intellectually dishonest, Gorgo.quote:
You don't need to add anything to the conversation at all, just act like you are an expert. I'll try that next time.
You've done little else your whole time here. Why should I accept your judgement of when and how I am contributing anything?
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What are you saying, since there are no mass graves evident, that there was no illegal invasion of Panama, and no one was killed in the process?
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...to make sure that Coca-Cola or Chiquita or Disney has slaves.
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So, cigarette commercials should be focused at kids because they understand everything.
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Strawman, strawman, strawman. Try to stick to reality, please.
LOL, try taking your own advice, Gorgo. Kindly avoid defining reality for us while you're at it. This is a skeptic board, after all.
Authority has every reason to fear the skeptic, for authority can rarely survive in the face of doubt.
-Robert Lindner
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2002 : 14:56:40 [Permalink]
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I think we've seen who resorts to calling people "morons" when those people don't "define reality" the way some like it to be defined.
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2002 : 11:45:43 [Permalink]
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I think we've seen who resorts to calling people "morons" when those people don't "define reality" the way some like it to be defined.
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn
Ahhh, so we're going to go back there. This is really an irrelevant ad hominem attack, that your logic is ok because I have said mean things about certain people in an unrelated matter. "Moron" is simply a label: As you indicated at the time, it has little meaning in and of itself. I did not substantially misrepresent the designated morons' view of reality, however, and that is a matter of substance.
I can help you out a little on something else, Gorgo. Just in the last couple of days, I have found a map of the alleged mass grave sites in Panama (after only 13 years of asking). It can be seen, albeit rather briefly, in part 2 of this video from the Canadian Centres for Peace Education: http://www.peace.ca/panama1.wmv (part 1)
http://www.peace.ca/panama2.wmv (part 2)
With that out of the way, I must admit that I was more than a little disturbed at this "army of one" ad campaign, myself, though for quite different reasons. It was my observation, and that of many others, that quite a few soldiers develop an emotional attachment to their weapons after prolonged combat. This was sometimes called "gun lust" and similar names. Those who displayed it the most, and showed little inclination to reject it on rational grounds, were usually the least stable, the least reliable, and the most prone to breakdowns of discipline; the "gonzos" that everyone else tended to avoid. Is it really a good idea to be recruiting people who are emotionally predisposed to this behavior even before they touch their weapons for the first time?
Authority has every reason to fear the skeptic, for authority can rarely survive in the face of doubt.
-Robert Lindner
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2002 : 12:50:27 [Permalink]
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Actually, it would be an ad hominem attack (a tactic that shows that you don't have much going for your side) to call someone a moron. It would not be an ad hominem attack to point out that someone called someone else a moron. This shows your need to set yourself up as an authority, and define who shall be worthy of life on your earth, and who shan't.
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Ahhh, so we're going to go back there. This is really an irrelevant ad hominem attack, that your logic is ok because I have said mean things about certain people in an unrelated matter. "Moron" is simply a label: As you indicated at the time, it has little meaning in and of itself. I did not substantially misrepresent the designated morons' view of reality, however, and that is a matter of substance.
I can help you out a little on something else, Gorgo. Just in the last couple of days, I have found a map of the alleged mass grave sites in Panama (after only 13 years of asking). It can be seen, albeit rather briefly, in part 2 of this video from the Canadian Centres for Peace Education: http://www.peace.ca/panama1.wmv (part 1)
http://www.peace.ca/panama2.wmv (part 2)
Edited by - piltdown on 07/21/2002 12:15:16
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2002 : 14:02:53 [Permalink]
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Thanks for the video. Very interesting. By posting it here, you are now allowed to inhabit my earth, even though it is seditious and anti-american, especially now in this time of war and prayer.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2002 : 14:07:55 [Permalink]
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Did the people who made these videos think that the U.S. is "evil" and are they Anti-American?
Is Panama now allowed to bomb the U.S.?
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn
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WindupAtheist
New Member
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2002 : 16:08:16 [Permalink]
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As an enforcer for the Anglo-American Disney McEmpire, I am hereby marking Gorgo for execution. He knows too much.
Much as some people don't like it, a nation needs a military full of starry-eyed young people who think they'll kill the enemy and live forever.
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WindupAtheist
New Member
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2002 : 16:09:06 [Permalink]
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BTW, I hear the free computer game is pretty sweet.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2002 : 14:43:11 [Permalink]
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I'm going to take a wild guess that Gorgo has never spent a day in uniform.
He sure seems to benefit from those of us who did, doesn't he?
I realized this won't make a dent in Gorgo. Free speech is his "right". Who defends those rights, and dies for them, are pretty unimportant.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2002 : 14:45:59 [Permalink]
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Have I said anything against anyone in the military?
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I'm going to take a wild guess that Gorgo has never spent a day in uniform.
He sure seems to benefit from those of us who did, doesn't he?
I realized this won't make a dent in Gorgo. Free speech is his "right". Who defends those rights, and dies for them, are pretty unimportant.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2002 : 14:49:22 [Permalink]
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Actually, I think what I said at the time that it is either a medical term which is defunct, or it is an insult to someone's intelligence and tells me more about you than it does about the people you need to label.
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"Moron" is simply a label: As you indicated at the time, it has little meaning in and of itself.
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