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Tokyodreamer
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 Posted - 07/29/2002 : 18:04:02 [Permalink]
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unreasonable (ie, impossible),
That you continue this silly equivocation shows who's really being dishonest.
It is unreasonable to think that the sun won't rise tomorrow. It most certainly isn't impossible that it won't rise tomorrow.
It's unreasonable for me to count on my winning the lottery tomorrow, but it certainly isn't impossible.
It's unreasonable to support the Steady-State Theory of the universe over the Big Bang theory, yet it is certainly possible that the universe has always existed, and the Big Bang never happened.
Just highly unlikely.
Get it?
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/29/2002 : 20:32:04 [Permalink]
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echthroi_man:
"Even now if just one person expressed a desire for an open, rational discussion I would be very glad to describe that evidence."
Me do so desire, me swears it.
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Slater
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Posted - 07/29/2002 : 22:24:27 [Permalink]
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Don't kid yourself Nubi. This guy isn't interested in that, he just wants to feel superior to somebody.
Even now if just one person expressed a desire for an open, rational discussion I would be very glad to describe that evidence. Surely you remember that from the OT. Lot and a couple or three angels tour Sodom. It's a loose quote of one of the angels more melodramatic lines.
He's just yanking our chains, he has nothing of substance to offer.
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echthroi_man
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 07:55:36 [Permalink]
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By the way, regarding my competence as a scientist ? and I have been invited to join the American Academy of Sciences
When they read this board; and I will make sure that they do; you can kiss that invitation goodbye.
They already know I am a Christian, but unlike you they do not judge me on that basis, but on the basis of my scientific work. They have found that work important enough to warrant an invitation. I in turn accepted their invitation a month ago, so the process of initiating me is already in progess. You can do nothing to stop it know.
Your threat is all the proof I need that everything I said about this forum and its vigilantes like you is correct. I cannot believe that anyone would be so hateful of my beliefs and so spiteful of my knowledge on these issues and so desperate to punish me for those offenses that he would deliberately try to sabotage my career and reputation. That is exactly what I said in another post that science vigilantes do, to silence any opposition to the current orthodoxy. You have just demonstrated that you are just such a vigilante, my friend, so your denials to that effect have also shown themselves to be delusional or deliberate lies.
By the way, since you are a zoologist and not a psychiatrist, your evaluation of me was totally false. But then that was the point, wasn't it? Use any method to discredit me so that what I have to say will be ignored. It seems to me that if anyone has been distorted by their beliefs you have been twisted by your cancerous and unreasoning hatred of Christians.
You might want to follow one piece of advice from the Bible at least, and take care of your own problems before you critique mine.
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echthroi_man
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 07:59:54 [Permalink]
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Bernard Heulvemanns (1913 - 2001) had a doctorate in zoology as well as a fascination with "the possible existence of still unknown animals."
Boy that was some prediction considering that the first carcass of a giant squid that was identified as such and scientifically studied was washed up on a beach in Iceland in 1639.
Erik Ludvigsen Pontoppidan wrote a paper on them in 1752 as did Charles Douglas in 1770. The Frech Navy caught one in 1861 and Rev. Moses Harvey of Newfoundland put one on public exibition in 1874.
But it wasn't officially recognized by mainstream science until the latter part of this century, well after Heuvelmans predicted its existence. His book, "In the Wake of the Sea Serpent", details the scientific debate over both the authenticity and the significance of those and other later carcasses. Even up to the mid-Sixties when the book was published the giant squid still was not generally accepted as real.
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Slater
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 08:34:12 [Permalink]
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Even up to the mid-Sixties when the book was published the giant squid still was not generally accepted as real.
Thanks for telling me your revised version of the history of zoology. It really reenforces the prejudice you have against main stream scientists. We willfully ignored all the specimens that washed up on beaches and were pulled from the bellys of sperm whales for hundreds of years until a cryptozoologist set us straight.
Yeah, right. Too bad we didn't consult a pet psychic.
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Slater
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 10:28:40 [Permalink]
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By the way, since you are a zoologist and not a psychiatrist, your evaluation of me was totally false
I'm an expert in dealing with apes of all sorts.
You did kill the link to your personal site quick enough though. And I never did get to expound on the psychological implications behind your claiming decent from the Irish high kings and your favorite quote being from Oliver Cromwell. Cromwell who attempted the genocide of the Irish people.
I cannot believe that anyone would be so hateful of my beliefs and so spiteful of my knowledge on these issues and so desperate to punish me for those offenses that he would deliberately try to sabotage my career and reputation.
Really? I said I would make sure that they read what you had written. If you are not prepared to stand behind your own words why do you publish them on the internet?
Prehaps it's the American Academy of Pseudo-science you should join?
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echthroi_man
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 13:25:22 [Permalink]
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echthroi_man:
"Even now if just one person expressed a desire for an open, rational discussion I would be very glad to describe that evidence."
Me do so desire, me swears it.
Alright, thank you, I appeciate it. I have a couple of ideas but I want to research them before I present them, so give me until the weekend and I'll get back to you.
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echthroi_man
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 13:29:16 [Permalink]
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Don't kid yourself Nubi. This guy isn't interested in that, he just wants to feel superior to somebody.
He's just yanking our chains, he has nothing of substance to offer.
Why are you afraid to let him make up his own mind? I have no difficulty with that. All I ask is that he examine the evidence objectively and with an open mind, and that he discuss it rationally. If afterwards he decides that the evidence is worthless and that I have mush for brains that will not bother me.
Apparently though the possibility that I might convince him there is good evidence scares the begeevees out of you.
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echthroi_man
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 13:33:36 [Permalink]
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Thanks for telling me your revised version of the history of zoology.
You are welcome. I notice that you do not deny it, however. Heuvelmans thoroughly documents the controversies and debates, so there is no question the existence of the giant squid was not generally accepted even up to the mid-Sixties.
All Heuvelmans did was simply present the evidence in total in a coherent argument; that helped to turn the tide in favor of acceptance.
The Irish Headhunter
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echthroi_man
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 13:35:56 [Permalink]
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By the way, a study of the history of science demonstrates that mainstream is always reluctant to accept a new idea, and it also demonstrates that more often than not new ideas become accepted only after the current generation that rejects them is replaced by a new generation that accepts them.
The Irish Headhunter
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echthroi_man
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 13:40:13 [Permalink]
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You did kill the link to your personal site quick enough though. And I never did get to expound on the psychological implications behind your claiming decent from the Irish high kings and your favorite quote being from Oliver Cromwell. Cromwell who attempted the genocide of the Irish people.
First of all, wrong Cromwell. Though that quote was meant for people like you. Secondly I took off the link to my website because I don't want it to be used as part of a petty attempt to assassinate my character. If people like you cannot read it simply for the pleasure of learning about another human being, then you shouldn't read it at all.
The Irish Headhunter
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
1668 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2002 : 16:54:13 [Permalink]
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Not the Oliver Cromwell of "round-head", English civil war, Drogheda and Wexford massacres fame?
Who is this fellow?
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The Rat
SFN Regular
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 17:01:47 [Permalink]
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Does anyone else feel that this thread has more than worn out its welcome?
It ceased to be a real discussion ages ago, and is now, imho, incapable of ever being one.
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Slater
SFN Regular
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Posted - 07/30/2002 : 18:18:22 [Permalink]
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Ah gee Rat, he said that he was going to present an idea by the weekend and it's only Tuesday. Maybe he'll catch a specimen and that will shut the rest of us up. Be vewry, vewry quiet...I'm huntin' Big Foot.
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