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NubiWan
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 Posted - 08/23/2002 : 12:12:58 [Permalink]
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SollyLama:
"Does anyone doubt that given the chance, Israel would nuke every palestinian town into dust?"
Well, yes, since they have had that 'chance' for well over ten years. Now if the situation were reversed..?
"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." -Voltaire |
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2002 : 13:22:41 [Permalink]
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You and I know full well that actually nuking the palestinians would not be politcally possible. Especially since they would be nuking areas in the middle of thier own country.
So it may be impossible for them to actually use the nukes, but I don't believe for a second they wouldn't if they could. They consider palestinians as lower life forms and treat them as such.
You wouldn't for a second accept how a palestinian is treated (for nothing more than his birth and religion- hell, you've already taken his homeland) as your own life. Ramallah is nothing more than a concentration camp.
Smell the glove!!!!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2002 : 13:42:20 [Permalink]
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The kid is right about this one. All Israelis are not murderers, so the leadership has to be somewhat restrained. That doesn't take away from the fact that a form of ethnic cleansing has taken place from the landing of the first Zionists.
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn |
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The SollyLama
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2002 : 04:19:43 [Permalink]
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Much to me dismay, have heard the sentiment expressed to the effect, America helped to bring the events of 9-11 on itself. Don't claim to understand the logic of such a stance. Are there any here, that do? If so, could one then apply the same logic to the Palestinians and their current situation?
Am no real friend of Israel, actually, but confess to admire their spunk in refusing to just fade away in the face of so many hostile forces arrayed against their very existance. They did extist for centuries without a 'homeland,' afterall. Justly or not, these people, who genocide was actually attempted upon them, were handed a piece of dirt to call their own. Again, look at a map, it really isn't much to brag about, but they fought to make their nation a reality, and for whatever reason, have not been allowed to stop fighting for it, eversince.
",.. suggest that those Palestinians who do not support killing of Israeli civilians may not have the freedom to express their dissenting opinions that Americans take for granted. Maybe it's a case of "cheer the killings when the TV cameras are rolling, or get murdered as a collaborator/sympathizer." Accept this suggestion as a plausible possibility, as it may well apply to the largely silent majority of muslims as well, in face of the corruption of their own religion. BTW, don't take any of my 'freedoms' for granted, served for four, and have stood at the gravesites of many of my own family, as have thousands of others, who bought and paid for them. Are Americans the only people, who are to be judged and condemned for their actions and/or inactions then, is that just another price, we must endure as a cost for being a "successful" nation? No, either it is true of all people, or it is not true for any people. If a crime is committed in your name, and you remain silent, then you accede to that crime. Don't think any one here, disagrees with that principle. Mmm..?
It must be the fate of 'free' nations everywhere and in all times, to be under constant attack from without and within, there has been no quarter in my lifetime, anyway. And 'freedom' seems to always be a 'work-in-progress,' promised more than achieved. There is still much to be done here in America, to actually realize 'freedom,' and those who join the struggle will bear costs. Don't know much, but do know, that aggression or terrorism, can not be allowed any success, without inviting more of the same. And if we don't try to thwart it, who will? Perhaps it's just the state of humanity, to require a bully-boy to make us do what we know to be right, if so, would always want to be of that 'bully-boy nation,' if there must be one, though wish we could be just left alone to deal with our own pressing internal problems. So, if the rest of the world, would only stop killing us and each other, we could start dealing with the really important problems.
"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." -Voltaire |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2002 : 05:32:29 [Permalink]
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I don't think it's reasonable to say that America "brought on" the attacks. I don't think it's reasonable to say that America was attacked. I think some buildings and some people's lives were destroyed by criminals under order from some other criminals who evidently lived in caves in Afghanistan. Then, some buildings and some people's lives in Afghanistan were destroyed by criminals under order from some criminals who were living in mansions in Washington.
If you spend your days bullying people in the playground, and on one of those days, a smaller bully tries to smack you, but hits an even smaller kid, is it the even smaller kids' fault? It is not the people in the WTC's fault, or even the people in the Pentagon's fault that they were killed. Did the government of the United States have something to do with acting in a bullying manner that may have caused some people to support these criminals in caves more than they would have otherwise? Why is that a bad question? Are you saying that the U.S. doesn't support criminals and act in a criminal manner itself?
Zionists did not look at Arabs as humans that equaled Jews. They were (and are) unconcerned, largely (certainly not unanimously, but largely) with the welfare of the non-Jews in the area, mainly Arabs. They wanted to take over Palestine- they said so and they did so. They made Palestinian Arabs second-class citizens and now that other nationalities have become their second-class citizens, they're making Palestinian Arabs third-class citizens and non-citizens. Israel is a criminal state and the U.S. supports it. It would be a criminal state if the U.S. wasn't supporting it, but it wouldn't be as criminal if the U.S. opposed its criminal actions. Why is anyone even giving any credence to this country that is founded on mythology and hate?
Bush is talking about taking over the world, here. Why are we not talking about impeachment and arrest, here? Why is anyone giving this religious fundamentalist any credence at all?
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn
Edited by - gorgo on 09/21/2002 05:33:04
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/22/2002 : 09:42:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Bush is talking about taking over the world, here. Why are we not talking about impeachment and arrest, here?
--Ah, the inane ramblings of the conspiracy theorist crowd. Well, I guess Holland, and Sweden, and Peru, and all those peaceful, not even neccessarily Democratic, countries that we AREN'T attacking are in for a surprise.
Isn't it being a little melodramatic to equate toppling an genocidal despot and known threat (he has a history that would make Hitler proud) with Napolean-esque world domination? Take another Thorazine.
When we suddenly start an invasion of Amsterdam, then you might have a point. When Norway starts receiving incoming Tomahawks, maybe I'll listen to you.
But only a zipperhead conspiracy nut can equate taking out a madman like saddam and a stab at global dominion.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2002 : 03:09:14 [Permalink]
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What you're saying is is that the people of Iraq are not important. Why not kill a few more thousand of them, we've already killed a couple of million?
It is illegal to threaten and attack other countries. Bush is a criminal. He's proved that he doesn't care about human life by attacking Afghanistan, and continuing the sanctions against Iraq. Now he wants to kill even more.
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn |
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