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jmcginn
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 Posted - 10/22/2002 : 11:58:16 [Permalink]
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What's the rationale for invading Iraq in particular as opposed to, say North Korea?
Rationale & Bush??? You have to be kidding right? He doesn't have any. Listen to any of his speeches on the matter, he sounds like a raving lunatic. Here are just a few quotes from this lunatic,
This is what he considers evidence.
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I think most people understand he is a danger.
And being a bad neigbhor/actor is enough to warrant U.S. invasion.
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They know that when we speak of making the world more safe, we do so not only in the context of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups, but nations that have proven themselves to be bad neighbors and bad actors.
Duh!!
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They [Iraq] obviously desire weapons of mass destruction. I presume that he still views us as an enemy.
More war rhetoric
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We must do everything we can to disarm this man before he hurts a single American.
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Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints.
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I've got a problem, obviously, with Mr. Saddam Hussein, and so do you, and that is he poses a threat. He poses a threat to America.
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I want to send the signal to our enemy that you have aroused a compassionate and decent and mighty nation, and we're going to hunt you down.
No evidence, just rhetoric and terroristic threatening from Bush of what Saddam is going to do to us.
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Aren't they the ones who just told the world they're developing nuclear weapons (with help from Pakistan) in open defiance of UN mandates?
Exactly, see my Shouldn't Iraq be jealous thread, I was thinking the same exact thing.
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Can we just attack anyone in the Axis of Evil™, or does it have to be Iraq?
Dang there goes my plans to register axisofevil.com and allow 3rd world countries ruled by dictators to register to be part of the axis :<
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 10/22/2002 : 13:26:52 [Permalink]
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No evidence, just rhetoric and terroristic threatening from Bush of what Saddam is going to do to us.
It just makes me sick that someone would send Americans war like this for what must political reasons considering there seem to be no facts. It makes me sick that someone would risk upsetting the balance of power in a volitile region based on mere rhetoric and that the USA will look more like the 21st centuries version of the Soviet Union. Let's face it, all the reasons Bush gives sound like Stalin and Kruschev. I don't want to be paying tax money to fund totalitarianism. I mean, I already have for years. All USA citizens have but to see the government take it to yet a higher lever is really scary stuff. I think this whole Iraq business is just a way for the US to increase its presence in the region and win votes. Sick, sick, sick.
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/22/2002 : 15:15:31 [Permalink]
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No evidence, just rhetoric and terroristic threatening from Bush of what Saddam is going to do to us.
It just makes me sick that someone would send Americans war like this for what must political reasons considering there seem to be no facts. It makes me sick that someone would risk upsetting the balance of power in a volitile region based on mere rhetoric and that the USA will look more like the 21st centuries version of the Soviet Union. Let's face it, all the reasons Bush gives sound like Stalin and Kruschev. I don't want to be paying tax money to fund totalitarianism. I mean, I already have for years. All USA citizens have but to see the government take it to yet a higher lever is really scary stuff. I think this whole Iraq business is just a way for the US to increase its presence in the region and win votes. Sick, sick, sick.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
Yep that's the exact same feeling I get everytime I hear this moron on the radio. I can say of all the sound bites of any speech, or even whole speeches he has ever given, that I can not recall one resonable logical well-thought out statement coming from his mouth.
Here is his entire argument for war with Iraq in a nutshell.
1. Saddam is dangerous because he is pursuing WMD's and has used them in the past.
2. Saddam is a villian because he ignores UN resolutions and doesn't allow weapons inspectors to go over every inch of HIS country.
3. Saddam is evil because he doesn't have the same values of civil liberties that we USED to have.
#1. We have WMD's as well and used them as well.
#2. How often do we allow UN weapons inspectors to inspect every inch of our country? How many UN resolutions have we ignored (including our threats of war now)?
#3. How many "illegal combatants"/political prisoners have we detained indefintely since 9/11? Nobody knows because its a big old secret. How come are civil liberties are slowly deterioting away under the disguise of "safety"?
How many countries have we invaded or stuck our noses in, in the name of "democracy"? There are really only two major differences between us and Iraq. We are bigger and we invade countries on a global scale instead of just our neigbhors. If Iraq had the military might of a Cold War Soviet Union or a modern China we wouldn't be hearing of any of this regime change rhetoric. How many times have we said we are going to change the regime in China?
Not only does he make us look like a bunch of lunatics, but now we look like cowardly bullies as well. It makes me sick to my stomach. The previous administration may not have been the diplomats extradinare, but they make this group look like a bunch of idiots. Even Powell has been pulled down by this madness.
I can tell this gets your goat @tomic almost as much as it does mine, as one's level of upsetness increases so does one's level of poor grammar and sentence structure :>
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@tomic
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Posted - 10/22/2002 : 16:20:25 [Permalink]
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Even Powell has been pulled down by this madness.
I think Powell is just the ultimate team player or we would hear a lot more from him than we do. I think the administration is afraid he might say what he actually thinks if he has to talk to the press too much. This whole affair is 100% anti-Powell Doctrine and I can just imagine him grinding his teeth to nothing.
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 10/23/2002 : 17:36:18 [Permalink]
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And can anyone attack them at will? Can Russia attack them? Is it okay if Russia attacks Israel for violating UN resolutions?
The answer is "Yes" they can attack whover they want, whenever they want. The issue is the consequences of such an action. One consequence of the Bush administration's picking and choosing of what UN resolution to support and which ones not to is that the administration looks stupid and/or determined to wage war for reasons having nothing to do with the ones given. That is to say no one believes them. A pity that Bush would ruin the reputation of the US for short term gain by a few companies run by his golfing buddies but that's what you get for electing someone with the depth of a piece of paper.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/01/2002 : 15:01:23 [Permalink]
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The political cartoonists and syndicated columnists have been ripping Bush a new one over the Iraq vs. N. Korea who-is-more-dangerous issue. Did anyone else see this coming? Bush's tirades about the relative dangerousness of Iraq's arsenal and Saddam's mindset are becoming more laughable by the second.
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/01/2002 : 15:11:39 [Permalink]
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The political cartoonists and syndicated columnists have been ripping Bush a new one over the Iraq vs. N. Korea who-is-more-dangerous issue. Did anyone else see this coming? Bush's tirades about the relative dangerousness of Iraq's arsenal and Saddam's mindset are becoming more laughable by the second.
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
-D. Hume
Any links to some good ones would be much appreciated. I am always up to making fun of the biggest idiot in America.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2002 : 13:41:19 [Permalink]
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Start here. Long live Slate!
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
343 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2002 : 08:04:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by PhDreamer
Start here. Long live Slate!
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
-D. Hume
Thanks PhDreamer, good stuff hehehe :> |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2002 : 04:58:33 [Permalink]
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Great toons...
I'm still not sure if Bush is going to go all the way with this Iraq thing. I think alot depends on the Security Council, and some semblence of a coalition.
I do know that he intends on keeping the 'threat' of war over our heads. It's been paying off tremendously well in the political arena. Believe me, the opinions of most of the people that I come in contact with on a daily basis are far removed from those that post to the bulletin board. At this moment, killing Arab terrorists, saying "God bless America," and giving those dirty liberal commie Democrats hell is all that's important 'round these parts.
I still find it repulsive how racist, paranoid, and pro GW these people are! I love it when I hear something like "Fuck that liberal assed bitch, Landrieu" in one sentence, and how we need to get back to being a good Christian nation in the next. I've been told that I should pack my bags and move my ass to Russia. Go figure that! |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 12/06/2002 : 13:09:21 [Permalink]
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A wery, wery, wery complex issue.   
I think that I'll abstain for a while.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:46:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by PhDreamer
What's the rationale for invading Iraq in particular as opposed to, say North Korea? Aren't they the ones who just told the world they're developing nuclear weapons (with help from Pakistan) in open defiance of UN mandates? Can we just attack anyone in the Axis of Evil™, or does it have to be Iraq?
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
-D. Hume
I just heard on an NBC business report that the skyrocketing price (per barrel) of crude oil should drop quickly once the Iraqi wells are in "friendly" hands.
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storyteller
New Member
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Posted - 01/16/2003 : 11:48:32 [Permalink]
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| I'm too paranoid about state sponsorship of terrorism to object to military intervention in Iraq. Whether we go about it as a lone bully or a world community member matters enormously. |
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aplaceinthesun
New Member
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 01/22/2003 : 16:37:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic
Should the US go to War with Iraq?
It is a moot question at this point. War has been continuous since
the first theatrical presentation by King Bush the First.
The imminent escalation is for the benefit of SUV drivers, EXXON, General Dynamics, and Rumsfelds stock portfolio...blah blah blah...
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/12/2003 : 16:31:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by storyteller
I'm too paranoid about state sponsorship of terrorism to object to military intervention in Iraq.
The US have a history of sponsoring terro... eh. freedom fighters against established evil (read communist) governments. It's about time to start cleaning up.
I do not particulary like the idea of an open assault on Irak, but Bush's war-mongering propaganda is slowly painting him into a corner where open war is his only way to save face.
A war on Irak will initially result in many casualties, but how bad it may sound, there will be some benefits. The raving, loony fanatics will be the first ones to go to hell on the Iraki side. And even though a puppet government may not be democratic, there is a good chance it will be more secular than the existing one, and therefore more humanistic. It would mean less long term suffering for the population. With the reconstruction of infrastructure a secular (and humanistic viewing) educational systems could be put in place, to show the benefit of a free society.
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Whether we go about it as a lone bully or a world community member matters enormously.
The US attitude that "we do what we like, if you don't like it: F*** you..." really scares me. I think part of the problem is that the UN is too weak to really make a difference in places like Somalia. |
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