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Tim
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USA
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 Posted - 11/08/2002 : 03:26:41
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I heard that the UN shelved its agreement to ban cloning human beings because the US objected that it didn't go far enough by not banning the cloning of stem cells. Am I an idiot, (don't answer that), or is the Bush administration opposing this for no other reason than an effort to pander to the religious right? Is there a moral boundary being croseed here that is more important than saving lives, or is there some medical or scientific reason to oppose stem cell research that I'm not aware of?
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"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Edited by - Tim on 11/08/2002 04:18:25
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2002 : 08:29:38 [Permalink]
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This is the same Bush administration that pulled funding from international family planning groups that even suggested abortions might be considered for third-world countries who have out-of-control birth rates. Never mind that abortion is quite legal here in the States.
I have never seen or heard a medical or scientific reason to oppose stem cell research, nor can I conceive of one. This is an issue whereby one side is being driven entirely by religious concerns and that troubles me a great deal.
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I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2002 : 11:23:07 [Permalink]
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"Never mind that abortion is quite legal here in the States."
At the moment... |
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2002 : 12:06:01 [Permalink]
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There's an interesting thread about that at Infidels, Nubi. It seems the consensus over there is that if Roe v. Wade was overturned, and a significant number of states also criminalized abortion, basically all hell would break loose, in the form of illegal abortions, black-market abortifacient drugs. Someone observed that it would be much easier to make a case of justified homicide against doctors who would perform abortions illegally. I noted that the first court case dealing with that would be a clusterfuck trying to figure out at what point the fetus is in 'eminent danger' of being killed by the doctor.
Relatedly, some thing else that occurs to me: would it be permissible to kill the pregnant woman who is in the process of obtaining an abortion? Heck, shoot her in the head, take her to the ER, surgically remove the embryo, put in in the artifical womb, job well done, innocent life saved. Possible? |
I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.
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Kaneda Kuonji
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2002 : 17:52:14 [Permalink]
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| Looks to me like these pious hypocrites have no clue how to properly handle this sort of thing. Law is a test of reasonableness, religion need not apply. |
Rodney Dean, CI Order of the Knights of Jubal
Ivbalis.org
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hocndoc
New Member
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Posted - 11/26/2002 : 21:38:19 [Permalink]
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The UN proposes clone and kill laws. The European Union is also on record as opposing the creation of human embryos that, by law, must be killed by a certain stage of development.
I haven't read any objection to cloning non-embryonic stem cells. Has anyone else? |
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