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ConsequentAtheist
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 Posted - 12/09/2002 : 13:01:30 [Permalink]
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... This is a board for debate and so that is what I am trying to do.
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ConsequentAtheist
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Posted - 12/09/2002 : 13:10:57 [Permalink]
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Lest we forget, you previously assured us that: "Darwin himself often stated that he had no empircal data but was going a whim." Please substantiate the claim. After all, I'd hate to think that someone who has "just now found the joy of Christ" so quickly discovered the often related joy of pious fraud.
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a65phalcon
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Posted - 12/09/2002 : 15:31:52 [Permalink]
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Reasonabledoubt are you always such a tool? That is my question to you. As for my answer, I did do as best I could. I simply stated that if you were familiar with the text in the bible, then you know what Christ stated. I can no greater prove to you through a simple posting that they were, or were not his exact words. I am not educated in every field of archeology or even in Hebrew text. I just hold to a certain set of values and beliefs. I find no fault in any man that lives his life in such a way to help or survive in humanity.
As for the Darwin issue I answered it to the best of my abilities. Try reading the fucking posting. You want to be a prick that's fine, but stop wasting my time. After I have stated several fucking times that I answered the question to the best of my abilities maybe you can accept that one. Want to give it a try? Do you want me to write a senior thesis on why you are such a tool? At least for that I have conclusive fucking proof. Sweat Christ man stop being such a bitch.
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ConsequentAtheist
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Posted - 12/09/2002 : 16:22:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by a65phalcon
Reasonabledoubt are you always such a tool? That is my question to you.
I'll take that as rhetorical.
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Originally posted by a65phalcon
I simply stated that if you were familiar with the text in the bible, then you know what Christ stated.
I am quite familiar with the text of the Bible(s), and that is a remarkably absurd and naive assumption.
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Originally posted by a65phalcon
I can no greater prove to you through a simple posting that they were, or were not his exact words.
You cannot even muster reasonable proof that the man existed at all. As far as "his exact words" are concerned, the very best you have is 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay submitted by Christian apologists.
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Originally posted by a65phalcon
I am not educated in every field of archeology or even in Hebrew text.
Evidently so.
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Originally posted by a65phalcon
As for the Darwin issue I answered it to the best of my abilities. Try reading the fucking posting. You want to be a prick that's fine, but stop wasting my time. After I have stated several fucking times that I answered the question to the best of my abilities maybe you can accept that one.
You wrote: "Darwin himself often stated that he had no empircal data but was going a whim." I asked that you please substantiate the claim. Now you tell me that - you've answered the question to the best of your abilities, and
- that you've stated several fucking [sic] times that you've answered the question to the best of your ability.
If so, I honestly failed to notice it and I clearly owe you an apology. Where might I find this answer and these several fucking [sic] statements?
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Originally posted by a65phalcon
Sweat Christ man stop being such a bitch.
How Christian (and sexually confused).  I assume you intended no comma after 'man'.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 12/09/2002 : 17:57:05 [Permalink]
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I always thought you came off as a Sweat Christ Man myself, RD...
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@tomic
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Posted - 12/09/2002 : 18:02:07 [Permalink]
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What I want to know is why you would repeat such a statement about Darwin yet have no idea where it came from. When asked about it you just claim ignorance where a wiser man would have not posted such a thing in the first place. I can understand your frustration. It would be very tough to produce a quote that was never uttered. But the rest of it was uncalled for. You have complained about debate here, for whatever reason, then respond to what should be easy questions with rude insults. If that is the sort of "debate" you are looking for it's no wonder you find this board's debates so poor.
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Kilted_Warrior
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Posted - 12/09/2002 : 22:09:57 [Permalink]
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Debates are fine, except when people get into a mud throwing contest.
You all are bashing a65 because he is a christian, and his evidence is faulty (which is an acceptable practice). But Slater, maybe you should read your posts, If I were to insert "Christian" for "athiest" and "God" for "no god", you would sound like Jebusfreak or anyone of these other people.
a65 has his right as human to believe whatever he chooses, and you should not try to convince him otherwise unless he challenges you. (or do you want to sound like a reverse-JW)
a65, you should substantiate your claims, and yes, Darwin was not too sure of himself, but the thousands of scientists and biologists that came after him are quite sure of his findings.
We are all entitled to a belief, however nonsensical or screwed-up it is.
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Slater
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 00:19:45 [Permalink]
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Little boy these are boards for debate. A65 is bashed because he is rude, and because he tells lies.
You, on the other hand, are cut a great deal of slack because of your age. Do not abuse it, or you will lose it.
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ConsequentAtheist
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 08:29:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kilted_Warrior
I don't want to lecture you all, but if I must, then I must...
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Legallee Insane
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 14:39:32 [Permalink]
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I have two points to make, but first I will say that I agree with Slater's comments about a65 being bashed because he is rude and ignorant. It's sad when people resort to name calling when they've lost an argument.
anyhow, the points.
1. I find it somewhat offensive, Slater, that you are of the opinion that our younger age makes us less able to think critically. True I am not as well educated as you but I can still make my own judgements on certain issues.
2. You say that younger people are cut more slack, eh? If you had taken a look at a65's profile before he corrected it, he was apparently 13 years old. |
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Slater
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 16:49:41 [Permalink]
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1. I find it somewhat offensive, Slater, that you are of the opinion that our younger age makes us less able to think critically.
Your problems with critical thinking are evident from your writing. What is the cause of it is unknown. I am hoping that it is only a reflection of your age and that it will pass with maturity.
True I am not as well educated as you but I can still make my own judgements on certain issues.
And who is stopping you? You just cannot expect that people will always agree with you.
The problem comes when people like a65 say things like "Darwin himself often stated that he had no empircal data but was going a whim." This is not a statement of his opinion, but a claim that someone else is saying something that they never said. It's a plain and simple lie. Creationists come here and lie through their teeth on a regular bases. Part of the fun is calling them on it.
2. You say that younger people are cut more slack, eh? If you had taken a look at a65's profile before he corrected it, he was apparently 13 years old.
Thirteen and married, sweat christ man.
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Kilted_Warrior
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 17:13:48 [Permalink]
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True I am not as well educated as you but I can still make my own judgements on certain issues.
And who is stopping you? You just cannot expect that people will always agree with you.
The problem comes when people like a65 say things like "Darwin himself often stated that he had no empircal data but was going a whim." This is not a statement of his opinion, but a claim that someone else is saying something that they never said. It's a plain and simple lie. Creationists come here and lie through their teeth on a regular bases. Part of the fun is calling them on it.
Okay, Slater, you're right about that, but you don't have to be so rude, even though I know that you need to rid the world of ignorance. |
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a65phalcon
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 19:07:53 [Permalink]
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Ok so the profile was wrong...is it really that huge of a deal. If you would have read my first I believe I stated mid-20's. Any hoo. The fact of the manner was and is I got rude simply due to the fact some people of this board are total pricks. I can only deal with pricks for a certain amount of time. Then I tend to blow my lid...I extend my apologies. However, I am not a creationist. I do think though that there are many potholes in Darwin's theory. Some have been filled by today's science. While some have not been. The problem here is that there are always 2 sides to every story. Darwin did rely on, or theorize that most of his work would be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt down the road. That is like me saying 20 years from now I am going to have 30 million dollars. How do I know exactly that I will have 30 million? The parallel in that example may or may not fit; my hope is that you will see my point. You call yourselves skeptics and that is fine. I am skeptical about Darwin. I am skeptical about any theorist that bases some of theory on the future work of others. I am not discrediting Darwin to the extent that his work was not somewhat valid. I am also not saying that evolution does not exist. My problem is trying to explain to myself, how life can just spring up?
If life just all the sudden sprang up, so be it. By my question is where is the proof that such an even occurred and there was not some sort of unknown force behind it. Putting Church, God and Christ aside for the time being. I would like an explanation as to how life all the sudden appeared. What got the ball rolling? Is it not plausible, mind you putting religion aside here, that there may have been some sort of force behind it all? A force perhaps we don't have scientific data for? Just a question, not trying to start the whole does Christ exist debate. Frankly I am tried of really talking about it, due simply to the fact we are not getting anywhere on it.
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ConsequentAtheist
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 19:14:03 [Permalink]
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@tomic
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Posted - 12/10/2002 : 19:24:33 [Permalink]
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What got the ball rolling? Is it not plausible, mind you putting religion aside here, that there may have been some sort of force behind it all? A force perhaps we don't have scientific data for? Just a question, not trying to start the whole does Christ exist debate. Frankly I am tried of really talking about it, due simply to the fact we are not getting anywhere on it.
Is it not plausible that a "force" was not behind it? Can't we just say we don't know? Can't we say that without being so rude?
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