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The NetArchitect
New Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/25/2003 : 15:49:56
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Hello All,
I just thought I would throw something out there for all of you to chew on, that may make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It deals with The Socialist Services Network - AKA - Child Protective Services (CPS).
Now if any of you aren't familiar with them I Salute you, because they are moving in droves across the American Frontier, Targeting True American Thinkers, and Kidnapping their Children at a rate of 500,000 a year.
Surveys conducted have shown that a whopping 86% of the American Population believe that when a child has been taken by Socialist Services Workers, there was a Good Reason, the parents were unfit, they did something wrong, ect. I am here totell you that this is a Lie straight from the Pit of Hell!
If you would like to know more you can begin with the Article about Our Case here:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6718453&BRD=1831&PAG=461&dept_id=373343&rfi=6
and once your done with that, post your questions and I'll be glad topoint you to the True Nature of the Beast... The Word is:
GENOCIDE
Until Next time...
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-We don't need Alien Races to come from other planets to Steal Our Children - We have CPS for that and they wouldn't take too kindly to some Outsider cutting in on their Action- |
Edited by - The NetArchitect on 01/25/2003 15:51:31
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
 Posted - 01/25/2003 : 23:19:01 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by The NetArchitect
Hello All,
I just thought I would throw something out there for all of you to chew on, that may make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It deals with The Socialist Services Network - AKA - Child Protective Services (CPS).
Surveys conducted have shown that a whopping 86% of the American Population believe that when a child has been taken by Socialist Services Workers, there was a Good Reason, the parents were unfit, they did something wrong, ect. I am here to tell you that this is a Lie straight from the Pit of Hell!
I don't have to read that website, I also know 1st (actually 2nd) hand about having ones kids taken away. It happened many years ago to a very dear friend of mine whom I've known since Jr. high school, we are like family. And they did that to her. It was just for a short time but to her it was Hell, so I know what you are talking about.
BTW, for over the past several years the USA has started turning very much Socialistic. The government takes our money and gives it to people who don't earn it. They try to control what we do and think and keep people under, so they won't make an effort to do anything for themselves. It IS Big Brother.
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Espritch
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2003 : 12:24:03 [Permalink]
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I've read numerous news paper reports about cases where parents severely abused or killed their children. Generally these articles include the inevitable question about why Child Protective Services failed to act to protect these children. Child Protective Services is generally under funded and has a large backlog of cases to work. Yet both they and the courts tend to bend over backwards to keep children with their parents (sometimes to the detriment of the child).
You present a single case of alleged abuse written by the supposed victim (no chance that her story might be biased or one sided, huh?) and declare that CPS is just running rough shod over everyone's rights. I'm going to have to request more rigorous evidence than you've provided before I can take this seriously. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2003 : 21:08:00 [Permalink]
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| I have to agree. Also, the only socialism that's in this country is for the wealthy and for corporations. |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2003 : 21:19:34 [Permalink]
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That's quite true. You can't characterize an entire system by what happens in one case, even if, no especially if, that case is so close to home. Is the solution then to leave children with drug users, child molesters, neglecting parents etc. then because you think you were wronged? That's a pretty scary thought.
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2003 : 21:22:20 [Permalink]
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If all of the allegations asserted in the original post made by The NetArchitect, and those allegations made in the Postville Herald – Leader opinion page are accurate, then there are obvious grounds for further investigations, and both civil and criminal law suits. I would certainly hope such measures are taken in this case if warranted. And, if these charges are accurate, I would give my complete support and sympathy for the wronged parent
Unfortunately, even if this one particular incident is indeed a complete breakdown of personal and bureaucratic ethics involving criminal behavior, I do not see how this isolated case is evidence of secret ‘Socialist' conspiracies, ‘500,000 kidnappings', and ‘genocide'. Without any supporting evidence, The NetArchitect's post leaves me with the bad taste of paranoid reactionism.
As for the case itself, I have only read the opinion of a single participant in what appears to be an extremely emotional case. Plus, the original reasons for the alleged ‘kidnapping' are never mentioned specifically. I do not know whether this is oversight or bias. Furthermore, no court records, or any other official documents of any type, are offered to substantiate these claims. There is no way an unbiased observer can arrive at a rational opinion with no more information.
I understand, and appreciate emotional pleas in cases of personal judgment, but those pleas must have originated in some verifiable claim of wrong doing. No such evidence has been presented.
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The NetArchitect
New Member
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2003 : 23:47:08 [Permalink]
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Just So Ya'll Know... for those of you who failed to take the time to read My Profile...
I have all the Documentation, I have all the Facts, and i have first hand knowledge... for in case ya'll failed to notice the Author of that article, she is My Wife...
They are My Step - Daughters... And i am Living it!
I hope that everyone is experiencing a Wonderful Sunday, and that this weekend will be one filled with Comfort in the Arms of those who are most precious to you.
I wanted to continue the discussion as we have an appeal set for on February 4th 2003 at 8:00 A.M. in Davidson County Juvenile Courthouse - to Discuss this matter before Judge Betty Adams Green.
I am putting this out there, because from where we sit, I have not gotten a whole lot of Clarification as to what we Need to do prior to that day, as well as what we Need to file (if there's time), and the legalities of the way this has so far been handled. I realize my Wife is not an attorney, and neither am I, so more often than not, neither of us come across with the words which Accurately Describe the Situation. I am going to fix that so that we can get some Input from all of you as to What We Need to Do Before the 4th. I am backing up my statements with Documentation, linked to a hidden set of files, I put up for just this discussion. Clicking on the links will open a window, which will contain the Document in question, and will allow you to see the points I am bring out.
I am placing this in a Chronological Order so that you all have a Good Idea of the way things have gone down so far, because, I Know that what they have done is Riddled with Violations of Federal & State Laws, as well as Mass Violations of the DCS Codes of Conduct, The Federal Welfare Act, codes of Conduct, the Court Order they are Currently Under, and the Constitution of the United States. Your Comments are welcome, and your Ideas, and Directions are Necessary.
The Following Are the Documented Facts
The case workers arrived after 5:00 pm when the incident occured at 10:30 am and conducted a 3 hour interview, prior to removing the children from the home. You can read the whole story here:
Hearald - Leader Newspaper Article
No Order for Removal or Search and Seizure Order Authorized the Caseworkers Removal of the Children. No Court was ever notified of a need for a Removal Order. There were NO Exegent Circumstances! No efforts to prevent removal, no efforts to reunite the family. No Open DCS Case in this matter EVER!
The children were placed with the Biological Father who had NO Custodial or Guardianship rights. All those were removed 4 years ago, when the Court awarded Sole, Legal, Custodial Guardianship to The Biological Mother - My Wife.
Below is the Law for removing children in tennessee - Requires a Court Order!
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When the court finds, based upon a sworn petition or sworn testimony containing specific factual allegations, that there is probable cause to believe that the conditions specified in ˇ± 37-1-114(a)(2) exist
and the child is in need of the immediate protection of the court, the court may order that the child be removed from the custody of the child's parent, guardian or legal custodian, pending further investigation and hearing for a period not to exceed three (3) days, excluding Saturdays, Sundays and legal holidays.
In no case shall such order remain in effect for more than two (2) days, excluding Saturdays, Sundays and legal holidays, unless a petition is filed within the two-day period. If the child is not returned to the parent, guardian or legal custodian within such three-day period, a hearing shall be conducted pursuant to ˇ± 37-1-117(c).
Below are the requirements for the Sworn Petition to even GET a court Order for removal:
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...to enable the court to determine whether such reasonable efforts have been made by written affidavit to the court, in answer to the following questions
Is removal of the child from such child's family necessary in order to protect the child, and, if so, then what is the specific risk or risks to the child or family that necessitates removal of the child?
What specific services are necessary to allow the child to remain in the home or to be returned to the home?
What services have been provided to assist the family and the child so as to prevent removal or to reunify the family? and
Has the Department had the opportunity to provide services to the family and the child, and, if not, then what are the specific reasons why services could not have been provided?
My wife's Signature was Coerced onto a piece of paper - under threats of Legal action, Intimidation, including foster care, detention of the girls, and a whole host of Nasty Stuff she cannot do... So we find out later... if she refuses to sign the paper. I was there, I saw it, I watched it, and I had no Idea she had NO Authority to do what she was doing either.
Here is what the Federal Law says about doing such things:
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Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the U.S.
This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race.
Acts under "color of any law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under "color of any law," the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs.
Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to one year, or both, and if bodily injury results or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire shall be fined or imprisoned up to ten years or both, and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2003 : 01:36:30 [Permalink]
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NetArchitect, you seem to have a very dire situation, and my wife and I sympathize with you and your wife. I only wish that I had experience in Tennesse law. Unfortunately, I haven't experience with any family courts, and I am not a lawyer. However, I do believe that a local attorney experienced in family law would serve your family the best. But, I think you have already explored that option.
Nonetheless, I hope that everything turns out for the best, and would appreciate if you kept us abreast on how your case moves along. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2003 : 06:59:25 [Permalink]
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What reason did they give for taking the children, and why is this never mentioned in any of your posts, articles, and documents?
(or did I just miss it?) |
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The NetArchitect
New Member
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2003 : 09:46:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Tokyodreamer
What reason did they give for taking the children, and why is this never mentioned in any of your posts, articles, and documents?
(or did I just miss it?)
They gave None. Thats a big part of the issue, because in the petition filed by the father all the reasone that he states for the children being removed in the first place, did not exist at the time they came to the house and took them.
The fathers mom has worked for the department of HHS in tennessee for 24 years, and we feel that may be a contributing factor to their arrival at all. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2003 : 09:56:11 [Permalink]
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I'll make this brief
Is DCFS (Department of Children and Family Services) broken? Yes.
Has it overstepped its bounds in several cases based on religion alone or unsubstantiated rumor? Yes.
Has it failed to protect the very children it was tasked to? Yes.
Is it woefully understaffed? Damn skippy.
Have children disappeared from DCFS custody and turned up abused even worse or ended up dead? Yes.
Can we call this kidnapping or genocide? No.
The system is broken. We need to fix it. What is needed is better training for the social workers and more of them so that they may adequately screen foster homes and investigate reports of abuse. There should also be vigorously proscecuted penalties for filing a false report with DCFS.
The only comfort I can offer you is that you are not alone. This will take a long time and you can rest assured that if you do not vigorously persue all the people who acted improperly to the fullest extent of the law (civil and criminal) that DCFS will be your constant companion. I would suggest bringing your court appointed attourney up in front of the attourney discipline board. |
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2003 : 11:48:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The NetArchitect
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<font size="1" face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tokyodreamer
What reason did they give for taking the children, and why is this never mentioned in any of your posts, articles, and documents?
(or did I just miss it?)
They gave None.
So people knocked on the door and said, "we're here to take your kids" and never offered a reason? And no one asked while they were there? If someone did ask, what was the response? "No comment"?
I hate to seem like I'm belaboring the point, but it seems awful fishy that in the editorial and in your posts, no reason is mentioned. And until I asked, the fact that "no reason was given" wasn't a point of contention?
The letter by your wife implies that maybe the reason was an unclean environment. I've seen peoples' houses on the news that get their kids taken away, and it's absolutely horrifying what the conditions are. Roaches, trash covering just about every inch, food and unwashed dishes laying around.
Are you being totally honest with us with regards to the living environment, and your own past (investigation of you was mentioned in your wife's editorial as a possible reason).
It's a bit hard to have an opinion on your case when we've only heard your very biased (and I'm not necessarily saying your story isn't 100% accurate) side. |
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The NetArchitect
New Member
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2003 : 20:30:43 [Permalink]
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18 USC 1901- Genocide
(a) Basic Offense.- Whoever, whether in time of peace or in time of war, in a circumstance described in subsection (d) and with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group as such -
(1) kills members of the group;
(2) causes serious bodily injury to members of that group;
(3) causes the permanent impairment of the mental faculties
of members of the group through drugs, torture, or similar techniques;
(4) subjects the group to conditions of life that are intended
to cause the physical destruction of the group in whole or in part;
(5) imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group; or
(6) transfers by force children of the group to another group;
or attempts to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b)
Needless to say, I only wanted to put it out there, and hey, I've Done my Research, I have done the math, and I have studied the laws and the actions of CPS for months now, - Daily - Digging - checking - I get my Stats right from the Government and Others who do.
Pay close attention to 3 - 4 - 6, and 1 & 2 are way more common than one may think.
Read between the lines of the News you hear, and ask yourself - "Is that right?"
Everytime you hear about a child dying - being found chained to a bed, Abused, look closer, and you will find that 92% and more - are clildren who have ALREADY Been taken by the state.
and as for the Numbers, I urge each of you to look at the stats!
http://www.cpswatch.com/oldsite/stats/states/
Click on the States, look at the Numbers... do the math... and then remember something...
Anytime a child is taken from his or her parents, things will never be the same again!
Heres my take on it, as a Father of 3, and a Grandfather of 3 and having 2 stepdaughters, I would whack a baby raper in a heartbeat if I could catch them in the act of the Felony, and have that Qualified Immunity that goes along with Felony prevention. Do I think abuse is ok? Ummm... NO! But in 2000, (which were the latest stats released to date) there were over 556,000 children in foster care. Of those less than 10% were ever Substantiated as Abuse! Of those 10% only .85% resulted in any kind of a Conviction of a Parent!
That translates into MASS DESTRUCTION of the Family Unit! The Taking by Force of the Children and placing them with another group #6 of Genocide. Of the Children that are in some kind of State Care, 71.44 % have been placed on Some kind of ADULT Psycotropic Drug, for maintained periods. Thats not only Criminal, as they have not been tested on Children, it also Impairs them for LIFE! Thats # 3...
Of the Cases of Dead Children 87% happened at the hands of Some kind of State Care, and Sexual Abuse was 35 X Higher! Thats 1 & 2. Now I dont know how many of the Requirements one has to meet of the US Code to acyually Qualify for Genocide... But I will say this - If you cannot take the Children from the Parents - If you cannot Remove the parent from the Home - If you cannot Put the Parent in Jail and Get a Conviction - Then you have NO RIGHT to remove the Child from the parent! You have effected the Same Outcome, using Different Standards - and That falls under "Color of Law". And can if kidnapping is Proven, result in a Life Sentence or Death in Some States.
And for thos of you who say - They are Over worked, underpaid, and Undertrained and undereducated, I say to you - "If they werent removing 4 Times the Amount of Children that they Should Be - They wouldnt be over worked now would they"!
Well All I'm out for Now...
And as a footnote, in our case, they Never Stated any reasons for removing the Girls, and they were called by an Unknown Caller - protected under the Good Sam Law - immunity is about to be Stripped away and the Gloves are coming off, and Then It's ON!
Peace All! |
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