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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
358 Posts |
 Posted - 07/05/2001 : 05:46:31
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Poll Question:
What is your opinion on Global Warming.
This is just to gauge what people here think about it, it might be an idea to read the various debates that have occured on global warming here.
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<A HREF="http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=160&FORUM_ID=7&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=So+is+the+earth+warming+or+not%3F&Forum_Title=Pseudoscience" TARGET="_blank">Current one here</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=4&Forum_Title=General+Discussion&Topic_Title=John+Stossel%27s+Special+%22Tampering+With+Nature%22&CAT_ID=4&FORUM_ID=18&TOPIC_ID=149" TARGET="_blank">Another one here</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25&FORUM_ID=7&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=The+Bad+Science+of+Religious+Fanatics&Forum_Title=Pseudoscience" TARGET="_blank">A really old one</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=78&FORUM_ID=19&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=Bad+Astronomy+Bitch+Board+01&Forum_Title=Astronomy%2FUFOlogy" TARGET="_blank">I'm told there is some global warming debate here but couldn't be bothered trying to find it</A>.
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| If we don't stop using polluting fossil fuels like coal and nuclear power waterworld will come true |
 [8%] |
9 votes |
| Some cities will be flooded if we don't change away from fossil fuels |
[51%] |
56 votes |
| It will flood some cities, but it's natural so what can we do? |
[10%] |
11 votes |
| We are causing it, but it wont have any negative or positive effects |
[5%] |
5 votes |
| It's natural and wont have any negative effects |
[10%] |
11 votes |
| There is no such thing, its a myth spread by socialists like http://www.rep.org/ |
[10%] |
11 votes |
| CO2 is cooling the earth, all who say otherwise are practising junk science |
[3%] |
3 votes |
| Whether we're adding it or not it will benefit plant life and be a good thing |
[3%] |
3 votes |
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Total Votes: 109 counted »» |
Last Vote:
06/28/2005 19:05:31 |
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Garrette
SFN Regular
USA
562 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2001 : 06:24:35 [Permalink]
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Incomplete list of responses. How about:
The science is uncertain on whether warming is happening or not and uncertain on the causes if it is.
My kids still love me. |
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2001 : 08:58:36 [Permalink]
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Incomplete list of responses. How about:
The science is uncertain on whether warming is happening or not and uncertain on the causes if it is.
My kids still love me.
My vote would be "While the science seems to be pretty good that the earth is on a warming trend, the causes and effects of this are far from certain, and we need much more study before making global economic and political changes."
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
358 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2001 : 03:20:53 [Permalink]
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I can't add anymore to it.
At the moment I would suggest that you just put what you think is most likely.
Radioactive GM Crops.
Slightly above background.
Safe to eat.
But no activist would dare rip it out.
As they think it gives them cancer. |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2001 : 01:24:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
What is your opinion on Global Warming.
And the point IS?
It might be warming but SO, then it will be cooling. What's the big hysteria? One reason could be that companies want to sell servival supplies, like when people were yaping about the year2000. I had no fear of going in an airplane or turning on my computer at midnight or any other average ordinary thing just because computers couldn't reconize the year 2000. Sheesh!
What fools people are?!
Yeah!, yeah! The sky is falling. Calm down, Chicken Little.
And another thing, there should be more floods. So idiot people won't build towns by rivers that they know every year are going overflow. And WE shouldn't have to foot the bill for their govenment aid.
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
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sega
Skeptic Friend
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2001 : 21:18:29 [Permalink]
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This poll shows why opinion polls tend to tell us nothing about what people really think.
I cannot answer it with the responses provided.
It shows the writers position on the issue. You are basically given answers which support extreme views and others which are mere guesses.
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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2001 : 03:09:28 [Permalink]
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Snake: "servival?" Surely you mean "servivial?"
I'm uncertain about this issue. I've seen data showing that during the Medieval Warm Period (when the Vikings colonized Greenland) sea levels were higher than they are now, and global temperatures were (probably) warmer as well--so the current warming fits easily within natural variation even within the past 2000 years. Still, atomospheric CO2 has increased beyond our best estimates of natural variation for that parameter, and that may herald unnatural warming...or not. I agree with those who found the poll choices a bit limiting.
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Steve
New Member
1 Post |
Posted - 07/22/2001 : 16:18:18 [Permalink]
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I agree there is too much we don't know about global warming, and the list did not provide enough choices. One thing I feel is that the number of vehicles in every major city going to work every day with one person in each vehicle jamming every major thoroughfare.... well , I feel it can't be a permanent arrangement. Hybrid vehicles sure, but petroleum is most likely used to recharge them batteries too.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2001 : 05:04:37 [Permalink]
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I agree there is too much we don't know about global warming, and the list did not provide enough choices. One thing I feel is that the number of vehicles in every major city going to work every day with one person in each vehicle jamming every major thoroughfare.... well , I feel it can't be a permanent arrangement. Hybrid vehicles sure, but petroleum is most likely used to recharge them batteries too.
Actually Hybrid vehicles use braking action to charge their batteries. Petroleum is only used to start the vehicle or to run it when the batteries become to weak to operate the vehicle.
I'm one of those who are sitting in the car by themselves in traffic. Most people tend to try not to drive 13 miles in one direction to take their child to school then drive 30 miles to work from the school. It's really hard to find someone to carpool with. Now that I work nights tho, no one to carpool with either. Many people driving alone have reasons and many don't. My schedule is just plain nutty and no one else I can find is on that particular schedule.
Now if public transportation were more accessible in my neck of the woods that would, to me, be a viable alternative. Until that happens....I'm stuck driving.
He's YOUR god, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell! |
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
358 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2001 : 05:10:16 [Permalink]
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Breaking action doesn't charge batteries all that much, it just reduces the need for external energy to charge it (which may be bad depending on what type of battery it is).
You still need power to charge the battery anyway, but there is more effecency (20% compared to 25%) in the energy conversion process so less fuel is needed.
Also large central power stations have better pollution control systems.
Radioactive GM Crops.
Slightly above background.
Safe to eat.
But no activist would dare rip it out.
As they think it gives them cancer. |
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2001 : 08:12:38 [Permalink]
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Breaking action doesn't charge batteries all that much, it just reduces the need for external energy to charge it (which may be bad depending on what type of battery it is).
You still need power to charge the battery anyway, but there is more effecency (20% compared to 25%) in the energy conversion process so less fuel is needed.
If by 'external energy' you mean plugging it in somewhere, neither of the two popular hybrids sold in the U.S. use that. No plugs or charging stations needed. The batteries are charged by braking actions, and by the generator that runs off of gas. Power plants don't figure into the equation (from my understanding).
I'm not sure what efficiency you are referring to, but by gas mileage alone, I believe these vehicles are much more efficient than a 5% difference compared to standard automobiles.
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
358 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2001 : 05:16:54 [Permalink]
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Pure electric vehicles use charging stations and are supplemented by regenerative braking.
Hybirds use both an electric engine and a combustion engine to recharge.
If electric cars are charged from a central power station then 5% is a lot, add the breaking in to it and it goes up, Hybirds don't get it as good as that as they use a lower efficency charge system.
As for external energy I meant from a power point or onboard combusion generator.
Radioactive GM Crops.
Slightly above background.
Safe to eat.
But no activist would dare rip it out.
As they think it gives them cancer. |
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2001 : 11:08:23 [Permalink]
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If electric cars are charged from a central power station then 5% is a lot, add the breaking in to it and it goes up, Hybirds don't get it as good as that as they use a lower efficency charge system.
Thanks for the clarification. Trish was talking hybrid cars, so I didn't realize you had switched to referring to electric-only, powerstation plugin charging cars.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2001 : 13:46:14 [Permalink]
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Breaking action doesn't charge batteries all that much, it just reduces the need for external energy to charge it (which may be bad depending on what type of battery it is).
You still need power to charge the battery anyway, but there is more effecency (20% compared to 25%) in the energy conversion process so less fuel is needed.
Also large central power stations have better pollution control systems.
Bestonnet - when was the last time you watched the service video from American Honda Croporation on the function and repair of the new hybrid vehicles for Certified Honda Service and Repair techs? That is the description supplied from Honda Engineering to the Service and Repair techs at the dealerships. I sat and watched the video with my father who is a Gold Level Honda Service Advisor for seven years running and has also been an automechanic for 35+ years. Prior to working for Honda my father was also a Certified Ford Master Mechanic for 20 years.
I certainly recall that the batteries are actually charged by braking action. Because it is recommended that the engine be run by gasoline on long drives (being cross country) unless you are in the city where frequent braking will allow recharging of the batteries.
He's YOUR god, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell! |
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
358 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2001 : 04:03:04 [Permalink]
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Trish: I haven't watched the video you mention.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics (the one creationalists don't understand) does prohibit fully charging the batteries by breaking, but it does extend their life by quite a large amount.
Depending on battery type it might mean the batteries have to be replaced more often because of memory (Ni-Cad is particulary bad).
Radioactive GM Crops.
Slightly above background.
Safe to eat.
But no activist would dare rip it out.
As they think it gives them cancer. |
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seb
New Member
France
40 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2001 : 18:25:21 [Permalink]
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As it is said above we do not know what from natural causes, cycles... and human activity can cause the more perturbations.
But I think that not reducing to a maximum our perturbations on the environnement when we have the means to do it is caracteristic of our sick and unstable society. 
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