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Mespo_man
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USA
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 Posted - 01/29/2003 : 08:15:07
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When I was in the navy, we had a "anchor pool" when pulling in to port. Each person chose a time when they thought the anchor would be dropped in the harbor and we would go on liberty. The person closest to the anchor drop got the pool money to take with him on the beach.
So, I've started an anchor pool at work. The person who is closest to the date and time (Eastern Standard Time) when the US fires the first shot at Iraq, gets the pot. My choice is Sunday, March 2nd at 2PM EST. That makes it 10PM in Baghdad on the first day of a new moon. Skies will be pitch black. Aircraft won't be silhouetted and ground troops with night vision goggles and thermal imaging equipment will have a distinct advantage. It's also a weekend.
(:raig
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Edited by - Mespo_man on 01/29/2003 08:30:55
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 01/29/2003 : 09:30:50 [Permalink]
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| You're all late. The U.S. started the war with Iraq a long time ago and it has never ended. They are now bombing daily. |
I know the rent is in arrears
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It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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THE SHOUTER
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Posted - 01/29/2003 : 19:32:12 [Permalink]
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HOW VERY INTERESTING.
ANYWAY, SNAKE, WHAT A LOAD OF MISANTHROPIC GARBAGE. I HOPE YOUR FRIENDS ARE EMBARASSED. BY THE WAY, THAT GOTH MAKE-UP IS SO OUT.
DOOMAR I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM. YOU ARE SO ERNEST. I HOPE YOU NEVER GET HURT.
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2003 : 22:18:57 [Permalink]
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| First shots (or first wave of air strikes) will occur on Feb.26 @ 4:30 EST. We will not have to worry about night vision, or thermal imaging to have a distinct advantage.....it'll be a walk in the park. |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 06:18:14 [Permalink]
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Gorgo is right, the war sarted ages ago...
As President Bush was putting the finishing touches on his State of the Union address, the Pentagon top brass were talking about "A-Day," short for "Air Strikes Day."
On A-Day the air force and navy will launch 300 to 400 cruise missiles at targets in Iraq, CBS reported Saturday. That's more missiles than were launched during the entire 40-day Persian Gulf war of 1991.
Then, on A-Day plus one, they'll bombard Iraq with 400 more missiles. "There will not be a safe place in Baghdad," one Pentagon official told CBS. There are 4 million civilians in Baghdad, of whom 2 million are children.
The Pentagon likes A-Day because it supposedly concentrates on the psychological destruction of the enemy's will to fight, rather than on the physical destruction of his military forces. They won't admit it, but this is another horrible policy shift. This is what Hitler did to London in World War II. What Bush proposes is not collateral damage, but a level of civilian destruction not seen since the Second World War, with tens of thousands of intended civilian casualties.
I thought Saddam was the target here????
"We can help make the world safe for diversity. For in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal."
Commencement Address at American University, June 10, 1963.
"Never before has man had such capacity to control his own destiny, to end thirst and hunger, to conquer poverty and disease, to banish illiteracy and massive human misery. We have the power to make this the best generation of mankind in the history of the world--or make it the last."
Address to the United Nations General Assembly, September 20, 1963, Public Papers of the Presidents: 1963, p. 696.
"My fellow Americans, let us take that first step. Let us...step back from the shadow of war and seek out the way of peace. And if that journey is a thousand miles, or even more, let history record that we in this land at this time, took the first step."
Radio and Television Address to the American People on the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, July 26, 1963.
John F. Kennedy
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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 08:28:54 [Permalink]
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quote:
On A-Day the air force and navy will launch 300 to 400 cruise missiles at targets in Iraq, CBS reported Saturday. That's more missiles than were launched during the entire 40-day Persian Gulf war of 1991.
Then, on A-Day plus one, they'll bombard Iraq with 400 more missiles. "There will not be a safe place in Baghdad," one Pentagon official told CBS. There are 4 million civilians in Baghdad, of whom 2 million are children. [Gezzam]
400 cruise missiles launched at Iraq are not 400 missiles launched at Baghdad. Since we are going all the way this time, I would think that one of the very early objectives by forces jumping in from Kuwait would be to secure the oil fields from demolition by Hussein. A blocking force launched from Turkey could intercept Iraqi ground forces from reinforcing Baghdad.
Fights in the desert will be a cakewalk. What happens when armoured columns pull up on the outskirts of Baghdad is anybody's guess. But the Pentagon has let it be known that if chemical or biological weapons are used against allied forces, the Iraqi general staff and / or any field commander that launches one will be held accountable after the war.
And yes, Saddam IS the target, but he's a moving one. Catching him in the right place at the right time would probably be more luck than anything else.
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 16:12:33 [Permalink]
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| Nevermind "the war has already started" talk.....just play Mespo's game. There is a big difference between "bombing on a daily basis" and when B 52's start flying over Baghdad. |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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@tomic
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 17:37:39 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, I guess Fireballn would like to live in the path of those daily bombings. Let's have a pool on when the next terrorist bombing will happen in New York! Won't that be fun!! |
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
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@tomic
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 18:51:15 [Permalink]
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| Point taken..... |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 19:18:28 [Permalink]
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| New York as far as I can see does not deserve a bombing, Iraq as far as I am concerned does. You both are right, we should not make light of a serious situation where lives hang in the balance. |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 20:00:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fireballn
New York as far as I can see does not deserve a bombing, Iraq as far as I am concerned does.
Bombing Iraq means bombing (hopefully) Saddam, and his Republican Guard, and his army, but it also means bombing civilians. Saddam definitely deserves it, maybe his Republican Guard deserves it, maybe his army deserves it, but regular Iraqi civilians, their homes and their property?
I have a very tough time with that. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 20:19:36 [Permalink]
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To people that feel wronged, New York does deserve bombing. You're not one of them so you think it doesn't deserve it but you do think Iraq deserves it because Iraq has done some wrong to you(I wonder what that might be). Iraqis don't feel they deserve to be bombed. My point is that when NY is bombed it doesn't matter one iota how you feel about it.
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
179 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2003 : 21:47:57 [Permalink]
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"We don't want a repeat of 1991, when the United States aborted our efforts to overthrow Saddam and destroyed so much in Iraq," said Karim Saad, 40, who worked before the 1991 war as a water-truck driver. "Every Iraqi wants to get rid of Saddam and his regime. No one wants Iraq destroyed by American missiles and bombs." -Story by St.Louis post
This Iraqi feels America shouldn't have stopped (in 1991) until Iraq was completely liberated. (thank the UN for that, so much destroyed yet the man is still in power)
They do not want American bombs falling, blowing holes in their country, (that is understandable) but they can not overthrow Saddam themselves.
Quite the conundrum. GPS guided munitions, instead of the laser version should help accuracy and reduce civilian casualties.
Saddam using human shields and weapons hidden in civilian locations, proves he knows America is interested in limiting these casualties to a minimum. |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 05:14:34 [Permalink]
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The Iraqi people have been blockaded and bombed for the last twelve years. They have survival on their minds, not politics. The Ba'ath party provided a pretty good life for most Iraqis before the Gulf War. Health care was free, education was free, including college. They'd even pay their way to the United States if students wanted to learn something that couldn't be learned in Iraq. Iraqis loved the United States. Iraqis loved the United States after the war. After twelve years of sanctions and weekly bombings they don't love the United States so much.
If the United States doesn't like murderous dictators, they need to stop supporting them and start supporting more democracies. Plain and simple. The U.S. supported and encouraged Saddam Hussein through his worst atrocities. Had their been no CIA interference, the Ba'ath party may not have ever come into power. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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