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Fireballn
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Canada
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 Posted - 02/20/2003 : 20:23:06 [Permalink]
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| Hey Phaedrus, Robert Pirsig is one of my favorites, is that where you got the name? |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
172 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 01:10:42 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin alogos
Welshdean: quote:
Can you name ONE Atheistic organisation that has repeatedly pressured the destitute
S.American countries into pledging tythes
Cuba Communist Castro
Yeah, nice one!!! Can I just remind you of this;
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originally posted by W/dean:
Read this tonight: EX 20:16 because yet again you are demonstrating a complete disregard for your own (and your religions) integrity.
Sir, I put it to you that you are a cad and a bounder!! |
"Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life."
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky. My name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth."
---- Muhammad Ali
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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 14:43:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by welshdean
Sir, I put it to you that you are a cad and a bounder!!
If you don't have anything nice to say...say it anyway! |
"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
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darwin alogos
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/21/2003 : 22:45:58 [Permalink]
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welshdean: quote:
Sir, I put it to you that you are a cad and a bounder!!
In response to: quote:
Can you name ONE Atheistic organisation that has repeatedly pressured the destitute
S.American countries into pledging tythes
Cuba Communist Castro
So in which part,according to you, am I lying;that "Communist Castro" is an "Atheist',or that he has "repeatedly pressured the destitute" of his country? Remember I already stated:
My my you would think (by your responses) that I had just insulted your mothers.Your the ones who started
slaming Jesus.I merely pointed out that many benvolent orgainaztions exist today and in the past that believe
in his message,as well as many of the first universities in this land.I never said "atheist are bad people" or that
there weren't other benvolent organizations(you forgot "The Red Cresent").I guess I should have added that
before "YOU" start chucking stones you should get out of your glass house.
(ed for quotes from p. 1) And: quote:
Now if "you" claim and can "prove" they are "atheistic" then I'll apologize for a misstatement.However, I think that
most historians would agree that the benevolent orgainzations were started from a religious motivation.
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To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
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darwin alogos
SFN Regular
USA
532 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 22:49:40 [Permalink]
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| Also Mr.welshdean to what moral authority are you appealing to to make such a statement? How are you deriving an ought from the is? |
To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
172 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2003 : 17:54:56 [Permalink]
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quote:
originally posted by DA:
So in which part,according to you, am I lying;that "Communist Castro" is an "Atheist',or that he has "repeatedly pressured the destitute" of his country?
No, no,no,no,NO!
YOU originally said quote:
..any Atheistic benevolent orgainzations..
[emph. mine], Unless I've missed the part where you decided to include dictators, then please help me out. No obfuscation, no smoke 'n' mirrors. i originally asked you, "Can you name ONE Atheistic organisation that has repeatedly pressured the destitute S.American countries into pledging tythes." you've yet to offer a credible answer. The hare is running boy!
Now, to be fair to you DA, we both know that you wont be able to name a solitary one. And we bth know that you'll never answer this challenge throughout the whole thread. Don't we!
T o help you keep on track, I shan't respond to any of your usual nonsense until you provide a straight answer.
Hence;
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originally posted by DA:
Also Mr.welshdean to what moral authority are you appealing to to make such a statement? How are you deriving an ought from the is?
shall be treated with the contempt that it deserves, and I shall do the gentlemanly thing and ignore it!
So I ask you again;
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originally posted by Welshdean:
Can you name ONE Atheistic organisation that has repeatedly pressured the destitute S.American countries into pledging tythes.
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"Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life."
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky. My name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth."
---- Muhammad Ali
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Orpheus
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/04/2003 : 03:35:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Phaedrus
How much MORE would these organisations be able to contribute if they did not need to have entire cities to run (i.e. the Vatican), compounds to build for religious education (I drove, and drove, and drove past my local Jehova's Witness compound the other day), print Bibles by the truckload, furnish cathedrals wih expensive decorations, provide security for Archbishops, the Pope etc., and of course make sure their leaders, be it Billy Graham or the Pope, live in resplendent luxury?
I think Phaedrus's point is a good one. Is this why DA has not yet responded to it? If religios organizations wish to proclaim their benevolence, why is it limited to what they can afford after all the superfluous deductions Phaedrus mentions? |
Find your own damned answers! |
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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 14:09:38 [Permalink]
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Why does the Pope need a Popemobile anyway?
Let's see, he's the earthly representative of an omnipotent God, and yet he must rely on man-made devices to keep him safe from his (God's?) enemies? How much sense does that make? |
"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
Bill Maher |
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Orpheus
Skeptic Friend
92 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2003 : 03:18:46 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by walt fristoe
Why does the Pope need a Popemobile anyway?
Let's see, he's the earthly representative of an omnipotent God, and yet he must rely on man-made devices to keep him safe from his (God's?) enemies? How much sense does that make?
Not a heck of a lot.. The same can be said for just about any legislative protection called for by religious groups to guard against "offensive" or "anti-[fill in name of religioun here]" statements/literature etc.
Religious leaders have yet, seemingly, to realise that by demanding earthly protection for their tenets they are actually debunking their claims! If God existed, and were omnipotent, there would be no cause to defend things he held dear, especially not by us puny humans.. |
Find your own damned answers! |
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