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TG
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 02/27/2003 : 10:50:01 [Permalink]
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Heh, heh quote:
NAZCAR
Good one Slater.
Which, of course, means He does nothing more than go around in circles. |
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
1668 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 11:11:32 [Permalink]
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Of course in the logical-system of Emperor C. having concocted the gospels to proclaim his "godhood", then they/it would be "Good News" indeed.
You seem to be misunderstanding, I mustn't be making myself clear. Constaintine never proclaimed himself a God. However the genre "gospel" had been around for hundreds of years before the Xians wrote their gospels. They date back to the Emperor Augustus and originally had nothing to do with anything outside of Hellenism. Gospels are a type of Roman book not specific books.
Sorry I sound a little cynical about the power-grubbing of organized religion: I am. I am not, however, cynical about "spirituality" as a most-excellent philosophical concept.
The power-grubbing is the whole point of religion. If there wasn't great power and wealth to be gained from the god-con-game it would have died out long ago. Spirituality is a nonsense term for the dopey mood playing at religion puts you in.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 11:28:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Computer Org
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Originally posted by Slater
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The "good news" of the Xian gospels is that we are saved. . . .
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I have to disagree with you on this one, Slater. You seem to have only read the (4) gospels to find the bad news. There is a lot of good news in the 4 gospels; not the least of which is the extermination of all of the (seemingly interminable) Old-testament laws----to include most-all of the "Ten Commandents". 
Remember: The Jews were in slavery under the Egytians. (I admit that there are those who deny the historical existence of "The Jews" and say that there is no evidence whatsoever that there ever was such a People in slavery under the Egyptians. I pretty much disagree with their views and see Exodus as being accurate.  ) When in slavery, you are told every tiny thing that you can do and can't do: worse than in any prison in the U.S.!
Moses dragged the Jews (kicking and screaming: Slavery grows on you!  ) out of slavery and into the desert. They wandered and wandered and wandered. BUT they lost all of the innumerable rules/laws that they had to follow under slavery. In the desert there is only one rule: "Don't get lost from your group." (The Jews, if you recall, were given all they wanted to eat: Manna.)
Then Moses at the end of their journey, when the Jews had forgotten that every tiny aspect of their lives was ordered by the slavers, went to get the "New Rules" for the Jewish society: That which we call the "Ten Commandents".
The Jews, as you might recall, however, FAILED. As a result, they lost the simplicity of the "Ten Commandments" and instead were given a vast body of harsh laws.
The "good news" that Jesus brought was to 'close' the book on the extensive, harsh laws of the Old Testament and replace it all with just two rules. Now that is what qualifies as "good news" to my mind. 
Oh, oh. It looks as if it's back to the DJRE series for me (--I'm still plodding through Book II).
I had thought that the Emperor C. had the Gospels fictionalized to have himself identified as the "Son of God" in the mode of the Ahora Mazda (--or someone).
My apologies. Let me re-read DJRE and try this one again.
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Do thou amend thy face, and I'll amend my life. --Falstaff |
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
1668 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 12:09:13 [Permalink]
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| Oh sure, all gospels are fiction. The Emperor Augustus didn't really become a God, there is no such thing as a God. But what every Pagan and every Christian "Good News" has that makes it "Good News" is that a man has become a God. There was a Gospel of Caligula. He didn't forgive sins or change laws. He became a God and published a Gospel to say so. That's what makes a Gospel a Gospel...the name Gospel is pre-Christian. |
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 12:26:10 [Permalink]
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I had thought that I had your take on religous history clear back in DJRE ii. Plainly I have gotten utterly confused---mostly, I suspect, by subconscious accumulation of some of Mr. Darwin Alagos' postings.
When you wrote above "...there is no such thing as a God.", it reminded me of something I found in one of your many refenences in, I think, DJRE ii and of a response I owe to a question addressed to me by Lars_H about one of the earlier gods you referenced. I shall try to go there (--as I have been for several months now--) and (ACH!!) resurect DJRE in one avatar or another.
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Do thou amend thy face, and I'll amend my life. --Falstaff |
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Jelly Fish
New Member
46 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 12:44:26 [Permalink]
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Gentlemen (and ladies?)
This is easy. I really really really did think God was Bush snr, and therefore Bush Junior, as the Son of God , was Jesus.
So some of you Yankies must know what car Mr George drives?
Jelly Fish
Jut floatin'
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Glendower..“I can call spirits from the vasty deep.”
Hotspur..“Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them?”
Jelly.."Not a hope in hell"
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