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Orpheus
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 07/09/2001 : 12:45:00
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I've been thinking that one avenue of skeptic thought which has not been covered by the present forums is skepticism about social conventions and social interactions.
Topics could include manners, dating behaviour, sexual orientation, gender issues, groupthink, family structures etc.
How about that?
Find your own damned answers!
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comradebillyboy
Skeptic Friend
USA
188 Posts |
 Posted - 07/10/2001 : 00:10:03 [Permalink]
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these issues get a lot of attention on political sites. perhaps skeptic friends can have a more civil, perhaps even relativly objective discussion of those issues. perhaps a poll of skeptic's attitudes on current social controversies.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2001 : 02:52:42 [Permalink]
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I've been thinking that one avenue of skeptic thought which has not been covered by the present forums is skepticism about social conventions and social interactions.
Topics could include manners, dating behaviour, sexual orientation, gender issues, groupthink, family structures etc.
How about that?
I don't know anything about the other categories but gender issues are of interest to me. I think women get too uptight about things and don't listen to facts but jump to conclusions. I don't understand them at all. So if someone wants to talk about that, ok.
I feel uncomfortable around them, when there are a bunch of them togather.
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2001 : 02:57:51 [Permalink]
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How about that?
Find your own damned answers!
Orpheus, I like that picture[icon] you chose for yourself. Reminds me of an art teacher I once studied with. He was so cool. Who it that? Or do I have to find my own answer?
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2001 : 07:55:08 [Permalink]
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I don't understand them at all. So if someone wants to talk about that, ok.
I feel uncomfortable around them, when there are a bunch of them togather.
For this, you should be visiting a shrink, not a message board. 
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2001 : 22:46:38 [Permalink]
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Thanks TD. 
Some women get on my nerves just as much as some men do. But dividing lines drawn between men and women gets on my nerves more. Assuming that because you are a man or woman you should act/react in a specific way has been the bane of my life. It was funny as hell when the boys used to try and scare me with snakes. 'Specially since I happen to like the critters, they're very clean. Then so are iguanas and chameleons, plus they eat bugs! Aw well, I do miss my iguana but he kept dropping his tail every time the dog got near him. Figured he was better with someone who didn't have a hyper active dog.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2001 : 03:43:59 [Permalink]
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The forum is certainly not difficult to set up. Does anyone else out there like the idea? Is this taken care of in existing forums? or not?
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2001 : 03:50:22 [Permalink]
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Unfortunately @tomic many of the social ills seem to fall under politics or religion. Humanistic failings are part and parcel of these two establishments of humanity. Neither of these are trully capable of dealing with the concepts of social interactions and issues. They merely skate upon the edges of the human society in general. Maybe a human/social philosophy forum might not be such a bad concept.
He's YOUR god, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell! |
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2001 : 09:11:32 [Permalink]
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Topics could include manners, dating behaviour, sexual orientation, gender issues, groupthink, family structures etc.
How about that?
I don't know if this is being "skeptial" or just good manners. I've found that judging people by who they are and not by what they are is the way to go. IOW, don't ask nosy questions. Or as Mom always said, "Don't judge a book..."
Someone who would automatically dislike someone else because of gender or sexual orientation is probably missing out on a lot of good experiences. Pigeonholing people into categories like this (throw in race and religion here too) is probably the cause of many of our current social ills.
Lisa
Chaos...Confusion...Destruction...My Work Here Is Done |
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
431 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2001 : 09:39:45 [Permalink]
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... Someone who would automatically dislike someone else because of gender or sexual orientation is probably missing out on a lot of good experiences. Pigeonholing people into categories like this (throw in race and religion here too) is probably the cause of many of our current social ills.
chuckle...you forgot "politics", Lisa
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2001 : 02:27:55 [Permalink]
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For this, you should be visiting a shrink, not a message board.
That statement makes no sense at all. It is not logical. Do you want to take away ones freedom to like or dislike something of their choice and to be able to express that opinion, just because that opinion doesn't agree with yours? Why would you say a person needs to go to a shrink because they don't like something? I live in the USA, where do you live?
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2001 : 07:56:46 [Permalink]
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That statement makes no sense at all.
Sorry, it was meant to be a joke.
You make it sound like you have some kind of phobia for women, or maybe just "issues". These are usually helped by visiting someone in the psychological field.
But hey, if you're fine with it, do what you want. Just don't be surprised when women are insulted by your generalizations.
"Can't we all just get along?"
[I don't understand your reference to 'taking away one's freedoms'  ]
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Orpheus
Skeptic Friend
92 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2001 : 08:46:03 [Permalink]
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I think that a gender issue forum may well be a good idea, since freethinkers have much to offer on current debates regarding this topic.
My own view of the so-called "gender gap", is that understanding is facilitated greatly if one discards the baggage of buying into normal societal gender-talk (i.e. women are from venus etc.), and start focussing on people as individuals. This stance has really helped me a lot in becoming more 'connected' with a diversity of people, but, much like being a skeptic, it takes diligence and a willingness to have your assumptions about life challenged!
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2001 : 14:28:28 [Permalink]
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Sorry, it was meant to be a joke.
Whoops! Sorry. I just knew a guy wouldn't be so insensitive to say that. Thank you for explaining.
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You make it sound like you have some kind of phobia for women, or maybe just "issues".
Yes, I do. They are creepy and they smell funny. They do strange things. As with anything someone likes or dislikes, sometimes you can't explain it. I don't like sea food either, for the same reasons[smells, tastes, looks strange]. Shrimp has a rubber feel and I don't like it in my mouth. I understand others like it. That's their problem, LOL. Wool is scratchy and I can't touch it but many things are made from it. How does one say why he likes a certain color or the touch of things when other have a different idea?
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These are usually helped by visiting someone in the psychological field.
Here's a little secret, I do see someone and she know how much I HATE women. We don't talk about that much, it's not really important over all. Maybe after I get some of my other more important 'issues' worked out and I have time to think about the fact that I would like to see them gone from the face of the Earth then we can work on that.
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But hey, if you're fine with it, do what you want. Just don't be surprised when women are insulted by your generalizations.
Most women don't 'get it' so I'm used to them getting hysterical and not understanding. LOL, that's how I got those thoughts in the 1st place, from growing up and seeing them act like that.
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"Can't we all just get along?"
I have some very nice women friends whom I respect. But then they are not women at that point they are friends.
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[I don't understand your reference to 'taking away one's freedoms' ]
I think that was because of an earlier post possibly on another area of this site where someone made snide remakes as if people are not entitled to an opinion.
Thank you for listening.
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2001 : 04:04:51 [Permalink]
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I think that a gender issue forum may well be a good idea, since freethinkers have much to offer on current debates regarding this topic.
Since we don't have one yet, I'll add my two cents here:
I was shocked when I found out my mom was payed less than men in similar positions. I had no concept of this issue at all. I have known women were not always considered equal, but I had just assumed that had been fixed by now. It is very disappointing this is not true.
I work in physics, and I was recently shown statistics relating the percentage of women vs. men it various post-graduate fields. Mine is one of the lowest. Why is this? I read Ijbrs' statement why she did not go into physics, and this was similar to a paper I read, which stated there is too much hostility! Apparently, many of the men have set up a "good-old-boy network," and many of the women want to be the only woman there for some reason. I know two female physics professors, and they are both very supportive of all their students, males and females. These professors also seem to get along quite well with the other professors here, so once again I am shocked to discover yet another example of modern inequality between the sexes.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2001 : 02:03:38 [Permalink]
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My own view of the so-called "gender gap", is that understanding is facilitated greatly if one discards the baggage of buying into normal societal gender-talk (i.e. women are from venus etc.), and start focussing on people as individuals.
Orpheus, 1st of all, who the hell is that a picture of on your Icon?
Next, your idea would be fine BUT it seems more often then not it's women who want the separtation. They talk about men being 'dogs' etc. They won't money from a divorce. They want clubs with no men but if a man wants to have an all men organization they want to push their way in. I also think the wage difference is a myth. All anyone ever does is say statistics are........ but no one ever mentions a company that pays differently for the say job or give a definate answer. I would think if someone is not satisfied with the pay they are getting they would go somewhere else. I never knew what others were making at my company but there was a listing for the job and what it paid. I can't believe they list a pay scale and then if a man takes the job, tell him he was going to get more.
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