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Dr Shari
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 Posted - 03/12/2003 : 22:37:41
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AS a person with a terminal illness(Leukemia for those of you who don't know me. As I am also an MD I know I am in a terminal phase)I was wondering what people feel is worth dying for. I certainly do not think this war is worth dying for, or the stupidity of the rush in say a very dangerous prank or trick but I would die for my family, a cause I believed in, though right now none come to mind except perhaps stopping the destruction of the enviorment. Not just a few trees or to stop a dam to save a few fish but perhaps the destruction of large areas of wilderness if there were no other way to stop it.
I wouldn't waste my life on PETA or anti or pro abortion causes though I believe in a womans right to chose. The killing of other people for no reason except hate would be a noble cause if my death had a greater impact then my life fighting for it.I guess I have seen what it is to die in my patients and am seeing how each day is precious so it has crossed my mind what others think death is worth.
Suicide bombers who think they are going to great rewards for what are to me acts of cowardism or religous martytrism is a waste of life to me. People trade their lives every day for causes that make no change in the outcome of the world. So what would you die for?
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2003 : 01:36:47 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Shari
AS a person with a terminal illness(Leukemia for those of you who don't know me. As I am also an MD I know I am in a terminal phase)I was wondering what people feel is worth dying for. I certainly do not think this war is worth dying for, or the stupidity of the rush in say a very dangerous prank or trick but I would die for my family, a cause I believed in, though right now none come to mind except perhaps stopping the destruction of the enviorment. Not just a few trees or to stop a dam to save a few fish but perhaps the destruction of large areas of wilderness if there were no other way to stop it.
I wouldn't waste my life on PETA
Hey Doc! So glad to hear from you again. I've been thinking about you lately. My old AOL went bad and I can't get to any of my old email or address book, could you send me an email again so I can have your email address, would like to talk to you again, please. (SnkEys@aol.com)
Now, for you question. I totaly agree with you about Earth. I like to say, 'Too many people, not enough trees.' But I do like PETA though. I wil admit they sometimes go a little too far but one has to make a point!
I believe it is important to respect the lives of other animals besides Humans. Which reminds me, I would die for my dog. I love him very much. (and NO, I'm not being funny, I'm serious) |
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Orpheus
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/13/2003 : 02:48:22 [Permalink]
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I sometimes wonder if there are issues worth dying for..but then perhaps there must also be issues worth killing for.
I agree with you guys though. The last noble cause is probably the environment. |
Find your own damned answers! |
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Dr Shari
Skeptic Friend
135 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 01:16:41 [Permalink]
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I guess for me there are even less things worth killing for then dying for. Unless someone is out to kill me or another person or do major physical harm such as a suicide bomber death is preferable to killing. Making assumptions that some foreign power could hurt us so thousands of innocent people must die is unfounded paranoia. I am less afraid of dying then killing.
I love my dogs to but to kill people to save the life of a lab rat is going a bit too far. Animals deserve our protection but we must remember that if we didn't have need of them unfortunately they would not exist. If we didn't wear leather, eat beef or drink milk how many cows do you think there would be in the world? A mink is used for his fur, a pig for pork and rats to test medicines. Treat them with respect and as painless as possible but never forgetthat mankind in general would and have destroyed many species that take up our room. I may not agree but that is the history of humans versus animals. |
Death: The High Cost of Living
It is easier to get forgiveness then to get permission! |
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Orpheus
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 03:26:20 [Permalink]
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Mmm. Killing certainly raises the antie considerably. You sort of claim ultimate rigeousness by killing another human being - not an easy (or perhaps even possible) thing to do.
I do sometimes wonder however, that, if the methodical destruction of the environment by governments and big business will eventually result in our own eventual extinction, if it cannot be seen as self-defence to kill those responsible for it.
Once you see it that way, the idea of an ecologcial war can perhaps be justified. If corporations and the individuals who enable them and lead them cannot be trusted to be responsible with the extreme power they wield over the environment, they should perhaps be eliminated. Is this not the definition of justified self-defence? If an intruder threatens the life of myself and my family, I should reasonably protest his threat. If he doesn't want to comply, I should try to arrest or restrain him. Failing that, I have good reason to eliminate him. Right? |
Find your own damned answers! |
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moakley
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 06:36:39 [Permalink]
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Worth dying for or worth killing for you have all said what came immediately to mind.
Willing to sacrafice myself to protect those I care deeply for.
Willing to kill someone who is clearly out to cause mortal harm to someone I care deeply about, including myself. |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 07:02:41 [Permalink]
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| There are a lot of things worth dying for. Killing is another matter and killing large numbers of people in an organized fashion is yet another matter. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 07:25:32 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Orpheus
If corporations and the individuals who enable them and lead them cannot be trusted to be responsible with the extreme power they wield over the environment, they should perhaps be eliminated.
Fascinating. What would you say to this slight rewording of your statement?
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If [leaders] and individuals who enable them [...] cannot be trusted to be responsible with the extreme power they wield [with weapons of mass destruction], they should perhaps be eliminated.
[changed "dictators" to "leaders"]
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 08:25:03 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, T.D. it is time to impeach Bush. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 10:28:24 [Permalink]
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quote:
Snake said...
Which reminds me, I would die for my dog. I love him very much. (and NO, I'm not being funny, I'm serious)
Here here.......I would die for my that crazy mongrel under my username as well....
I would be prepared to die for loved ones, such as donate organs or put myself at risk to protect them....
I would also hurt anyone that intentionally hurts my loved ones.....hurt them VERY, VERY badly..... |
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 10:51:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Yeah, T.D. it is time to impeach Bush.
The sentiment certainly shouldn't discriminate, so that's a direction it could take. Change "dictator" to "leader". |
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Franc28
New Member
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 14:44:29 [Permalink]
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"'Too many people, not enough trees.'"
Adolph Schickelgruber, is that you ?
It's funny how the people who should be promoting a healthy environment *for people* are the ones who hate them the most...
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 23:01:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gezzam
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Snake said...
Which reminds me, I would die for my dog. I love him very much. (and NO, I'm not being funny, I'm serious)
Here here.......I would die for my that crazy mongrel under my username as well....
I would be prepared to die for loved ones, such as donate organs or put myself at risk to protect them....
I would also hurt anyone that intentionally hurts my loved ones.....hurt them VERY, VERY badly.....
By 'loved ones' I take it you do mean not only human loved ones.
That was my answer to the question. I wasn't thinking of defending or of war but the average thought of 'what if.....burning building, etc.' I would most definatly think about saving my dog as much if not more than a human. |
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Snake
SFN Addict
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2511 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 23:14:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Franc28
"'Too many people, not enough trees.'"
Adolph Schickelgruber, is that you ?
It's funny how the people who should be promoting a healthy environment *for people* are the ones who hate them the most...
I've been saying that (too many people, not enough trees) for years.
And I have no idea who Adolph Schickelgruber is.
As for being funny about promoting healthy environment for people and hating them. I don't understand what you mean.
What I'm about is.....only hating people, I could care less if they are healthy, only. I think nature is everything (everywhere), humans are just a small part of it and have no more rights to the Earth than any other creature.
One reason I hate them is that they cement over everything that is beautiful, mostly I think for greed. They don't think things through even though they of all beings seem to have that power to control their space more than other animal. Yes, there are some (people) who are insightful but more often than not they are hurtful and mean and cruel. There are as many humans as ants, we don't need any more of either.
Don't you think there should be fairly equal amounts of various animals, why should there be more humans all over the place, pushing out other species |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2003 : 05:37:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Snake
By 'loved ones' I take it you do mean not only human loved ones.
That was my answer to the question. I wasn't thinking of defending or of war but the average thought of 'what if.....burning building, etc.' I would most defiantly think about saving my dog as much if not more than a human.
Of course I would be prepared to suffer in attempting to save someone that is in a crisis, whether it be emotional or they are in danger physically. This is one of the reasons that I don't like wars. Especially the potential war in Iraq.....but don't get me started on that!!!!!!
Which begs the question, very hypothetical of course. If you had the opportunity to save someone and in the process realised that they were "bad" people who had done something to kill or maim others or your loved ones in the past, would you leave them to suffer or save their lives?
Of course I would, I think your basic instinct to do right would kick in, a moral dilemma though!!!!!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/15/2003 : 09:51:46 [Permalink]
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Killing and/or dying: my family if attacked, my country if attacked.
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Which begs the question, very hypothetical of course. If you had the opportunity to save someone and in the process realised that they were "bad" people who had done something to kill or maim others or your loved ones in the past, would you leave them to suffer or save their lives?
I might pull the bastard(s) out just to have the joy of killing him/them myself. 
As for the envionrment, we can neither destroy the earth nor save it. We are merely killing ourselves in the mindless plundering of our resources. After we are gone, in due course, another species(s) will arise to to enjoy an earth fertilized by our bones.
Great to see ya back, Doc!
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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