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gezzam
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Australia
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 Posted - 03/19/2003 : 05:50:07
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Other than being a logistical nighmare, the Bush administration wants to be able to monitor the Internet . "The National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace" is proposed to start next year....
A few people on this forum have been particularly scathing of the current administration and Bush himself, so watch out. You would think that in the current climate that someone logging onto a site called "The Skeptic Friends Network" would scare the bejesus outta the government. God forbid that some of its citizens may think for themselves, or actually question their foreign and civil liberty policies!!!!!
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Edited by - gezzam on 03/19/2003 06:10:11
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
143 Posts |
 Posted - 03/19/2003 : 07:06:27 [Permalink]
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| It's OK, the innocent have nothing to fear. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2003 : 07:55:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by NottyImp
It's OK, the innocent have nothing to fear.
Notty, our Attourney General has expressed disdain for several of our Constitutional Bill of Rights (based on your own Magna Carta) and that they do not apply in the case that they are inconvienient. Ashcroft and the rest of the Hitler Youth have been granted overbearing power to declare citizens an "enemy combatant" and suspend their Sixth amendment rights to due process, access to legal counsel, and writ of habeus corpus. The innocent dissenters have much to fear from this tyrant.
The man said in a congressional hearing that anyone who opposes his draconian steps "helps terrorism". He continually falls back to a false dilemma of "for us or against us" to deal with dissent instead of dealing with the issues presented.
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 10:46:32 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by NottyImp
It's OK, the innocent have nothing to fear.
Have a look here form the forum topic President George 'W' Bush is out of control! |
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2003 : 11:30:36 [Permalink]
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Oh, come on. They'll never come for you and me. (0: Notty is right.
Our local group finally found someone who would put up a Stop the War - Support our Troops billboard for the month of March. They called us today and said they were taking it down. Said they'd give us a partial refund.
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2003 : 12:54:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Oh, come on. They'll never come for you and me. (0: Notty is right.
Our local group finally found someone who would put up a Stop the War - Support our Troops billboard for the month of March. They called us today and said they were taking it down. Said they'd give us a partial refund.
Freedom of the press is for those that own the presses.
If I was you, I'd push for a full refund or continued use of the sign. They broke the contract, not you. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 12:58:14 [Permalink]
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| Well, now I wonder if I spoke too soon before I got all the details too. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 13:32:11 [Permalink]
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| Guess they're saying that it was a mistake and they'll fix it. The printing company is in Colorado, so it may be a while. Somebody jumped to conclusions. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Robert Hunter
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 20:20:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by NottyImp
It's OK, the innocent have nothing to fear.
Notty, our Attourney General has expressed disdain for several of our Constitutional Bill of Rights
you know what? Ashcroft can go stick his head in a toilet and P. Bush probably doesn't even know enough English to understand what I say about him.
Come on you bastards, bring it on. Just try to put me in jail for using MY 1st amendment rights. |
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
143 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 03:48:41 [Permalink]
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Sorry guys, I was indulging in a little throw-away irony. Britain is now infested with street-cameras of one type or another making our public places much easier to monitor by the state. My little throw-away comment is a paraphrase of the argument you will hear about why "good citizens" should not be concerned about this.
I do follow developments in the US quite closely, and as you point out, your basic freedoms and civil liberties look as if they are being severely curtailed. If this war goes wrong, or leads (as I suspect it will) to more terorism on US soil, look for more of the same. |
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riptor
Skeptic Friend
Germany
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Posted - 03/20/2003 : 04:50:17 [Permalink]
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This may be closer than you think.
In the German state of North-Rhine and Westfahlia, internet providers have been forced to ban various sites, mainly including neo-nazi propaganda, but also extending to sites such as rotten.com |
Hail the Big bearded Jellyfish up in heaven above. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2003 : 05:16:13 [Permalink]
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This may be closer than you think.
In the German state of North-Rhine and Westfahlia, internet providers have been forced to ban various sites, mainly including neo-nazi propaganda, but also extending to sites such as rotten.com
Damn, Rip! I don't think I could survive without my morning dose of Daily Rotton.
I agree, that it can happen here. I have no doubt that heavy monitoring is already happening, which is why I post nothing that I wouldn't say in public for all to hear.
Fuck Bush and all of his facist works, that lying, thieving, cowardly, treasonous, little bastard!
Edited to add the link for Rotton: http://www.dailyrotten.com/
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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riptor
Skeptic Friend
Germany
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Posted - 03/20/2003 : 06:19:38 [Permalink]
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I was trying to say they are banning sites just because they don't like 'em.
But then again, I guess you knew that ;) |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2003 : 00:53:01 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Fuck Bush and all of his facist works, that lying, thieving, cowardly, treasonous, little bastard!
Treasonous, hum?
Well, Filthy, if they come for you, I'll be right behind you. Will you hold my hand as they lead us away?
We won't go quietly. Right? |
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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2003 : 11:40:46 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Snake
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Fuck Bush and all of his facist works, that lying, thieving, cowardly, treasonous, little bastard!
Treasonous, hum?
Well, Filthy, if they come for you, I'll be right behind you. Will you hold my hand as they lead us away?
We won't go quietly. Right?
Don't let them take you alive! Remember, Pat Buchanan says it's OK to use torture. |
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2003 : 13:40:37 [Permalink]
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I have no idea if you guys are joking or not.
The government monitors the internet? Well, duh! What did you think, that it was private?
You do know that cell phones aren't private either don't you?
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