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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 06/18/2003 : 16:24:35 [Permalink]
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| Millions of people questioned the war. In fact, I am thinking a majority thought it was a dumb idea. It wasn't until after the war started that the polls started showing that yes, since "we're" there, "we'd" better "support the troops." |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2003 : 04:51:13 [Permalink]
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Millions of people questioned the war. In fact, I am thinking a majority thought it was a dumb idea. It wasn't until after the war started that the polls started showing that yes, since "we're" there, "we'd" better "support the troops."
That may have been the case, but its certainly not the impression that I got. Here, the cry was for blood, to "kick some ass." Someone had to pay, and pay dearly.
The appeal to patriotism paid off well. They attacked the U.S. and they had to pay. Who actually paid was not the issue, just so long as the entire world witnessed our might!
That same spirit still prevails. I was at a Ted Nugent - ZZ Top concert Tuesday night. Terrible Ted made an entire show from this attitude. The peak of the show was putting an arrow through the heart of the life sized cut out of Saddam. The crowd went wild! If an Arab person would have been there, I would not be shocked if these forty something rednecks would have beaten the hell out of him/her.
I waited twenty-five years to hear Stranglehold performed live once more, and it was great. But just like I can do without Carlos Santana's BS, I can do without Ted's. I am politically minded, but my loves are music and photography. The two mixed seems to cheapen each. (By the way, the show was great!) |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/19/2003 : 06:00:48 [Permalink]
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| Gorgo's post seems to fit more with the attitude I observed in Britain, rather than that of America. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2003 : 07:33:50 [Permalink]
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| It's true that the majority of citizens thought that Saddam was under their beds, but they wanted the U.S. to work with the U.N. to solve the problem. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2003 : 02:32:06 [Permalink]
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Gorgo, I think you may be right that polls showed a majority opposed to war without the UN's blessing before hostilities broke out. However, I think there were still enough screaming lunatics and Religious Righters to give Bush, Cheney, and Company confidence to proceed. Afterall, they were so convinced that we would find WMD's and that the entire Iraqi population would beg to be just like Americans that they felt no reasons not to proceed, or to slant the facts.
Anyway, I heard on CNN, (Judy Woodruff's politics show), just before I left for work on Friday that one of her guests was going to have a column (op/ed) in the New York Times explaining that WMD's do exist in Iraq and why they haven't been found. Can anyone tell me how I could find this article without having to subscribe to the N.Y. Times. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2003 : 03:59:05 [Permalink]
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Bush basically said that he was unconcerned with public opinion, that his job was to protect the country, not worry about focus groups.
At least Bush I made the pretense of abiding by International law by bribing and swindling his way to get Security Council approval of his illegal attack on Iraq. Bush II couldn't even do that, and yet there is no impeachment process on the horizon yet. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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walt fristoe
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 14:04:57 [Permalink]
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"A few years sometimes make a big difference in human affairs. A few years ago an American President was put through the 18th century ordeal of impeachment, a vast, expensively-staged comic opera of white manes waving and grave baritones intoning, over a dribble on a dress and the lie he told to save himself embarrassment. Today we have a President who has hurled the world into two dirty, pointless wars after what undoubtedly qualifies as the longest sequence of public lies ever uttered in a free society, and yet in his homeland he remains popular and is collecting enough campaign cash to rival the Swiss bank balances of the Russian Mafia."
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 20:26:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Jimmy_Reynolds
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030606.html
John Dean apparently thinks so, and he knows quite a bit about impeachable offenses, having been Richard Nixon's White House counsel during Watergate. Well, Clinton was impeached for lying about a blow-job, so how bad is this?
Actually, even Watergate is pretty trivial compared to launching a war on bogus evidence.
Impeech, don't impeech. Recall, don't recall. Wepons, no wepons.
Big yawn!
What's going to change?
So...they imeach and then do get him out of office? How will the next person be any different than any other politition?
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