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Jimmy_Reynolds
New Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/07/2003 : 17:58:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
If it looks like a chicken, smells like a chicken, runs like a chicken, sounds like a chicken...the closer your ideology comes to communist ideology, the more you will be called a communist.
This is assuming that the accusers are honest and well-informed. Where does that assumption of infallibility come from? Accusation is not evidence of guilt. A billion Muslims will accuse you of blasphemy, and all sorts of other capital crimes. Does that make it true? quote:
Do you think being called a communist is a good, bad, or indifferent thing?
Given my background (veteran, national defense advocate, conservative activist and office-holder) it is ludicrous, and a powerful demonstration of the accuser's ignorance, stupidity, and personal dishonesty. Atheism=communism is simply a lie, and good evidence (if more is needed) that the Religious Right is willfully dishonest,and not simply misinformed, even at the rank and file level. quote:
If you lived in China, you might be called a right leaning socialist.
Why is that? You have some obligation to explain or justify these pronouncements. In any case, you might be called a jackass or a baboon in some quarters (indeed, I could virtually guarantee it). Would that make it true?
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What is a communist to most people?
Did you take a poll, or is this some kind of mass clairvoyance? I mean, who appointed you to speak for "most people"? The ignorance implied in your statement is breathtaking. Have you never heard of the ad populem fallacy? The popularity of a belief is not evidence of truth, or even relevant to it. This is closely related to another cornerstone of medieval authoritarianism, the accusation-as-evidence ploy you tried earlier.
You are really out of your element, here, Doomar (as in Melvin perhaps?). Either that, or you are a troll spoofing us.
As for the 40 year old entry from the Congressional Record, are you really pretending that this is evidence of anything at all? Any member of Congress may place anything in the Record at any time. The original source was just an unknown conspiracy theorist in Florida. Its appearance in the Congressional Record is not a general endorsement. Congress is scarcely infallible even if it was.
By the way, you are aware that Representative Herlong was a Democrat and a rabid segregationist, are you not?
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/08/2003 : 10:36:49 [Permalink]
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Perhaps you can give me the gist of communism as you've read about it. I was taught that it is a type of communal system where everyone shares with everyone else. It's true that each country that has tried it uses their own version, but isn't it true that atheism is a main tenent? I think when someone is called a communist, it has to do with the relationship the accuser sees with a person's beliefs and the Stalin type communists of USSR, rather than the "ideal" communists.
Communism is an economic philosophy that says any economic entity will go through certain stages of development. Feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism, chaos, to reset and start over.
As a political ideaology, the purest form of communism has been corrupted, as are most things by human desires and wants, particularly power. Anti-religion was a tenant of the USSR as religion was considered as a conflict of interest with the interests of the state. The state didn't want the people seeing any other power than that of the state. It was, as is religion, a control of the masses issue. It wasn't atheism in it's philisophical form, but a corrupted political ideaology that removed any form of 'higher power' from the lives of the people. |
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