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Dave W.
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 Posted - 06/26/2003 : 19:41:43 [Permalink]
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Snake wrote:quote:
Wish you could find your friend, would be interesting to know what he thinks now. (Have you thought of the Internet? to find him)
 Yes, but he was a bit of a Luddite, too. Actually, it wasn't 20 years ago, but more like 15, and if I remember correctly, one of the last things he said to me was that he'd call me, and now, 15 years later, I've still got the same phone number. Seriously, my slight curiosity about his viewpoint isn't enough of a motivator to get me to track him down.quote:
Anarchism, being No government, is what I said Socialism is, therefore I guess one could say they are synonyms.
Well, I was trying to point out that, to Wells at least, they were not synonyms.
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/27/2003 : 01:00:44 [Permalink]
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Actually, anarchism, according to the anarchists I know, is the rejection of illegitimate authority. Legitimate authority is acceptable.
That's correct, Gorgo. There can also be distinctions made between authority giving invested power, and authority that comes with knowledge and experience. I have no problems with a well-qualified farmer telling me the best way to grow crops (though I might still question that from ecological perspectives), but certainly have a problem with my government telling me I have to bear arms in defence of the State (for example), and forcing me to do so.
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NottyImp
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/27/2003 : 01:04:24 [Permalink]
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Well, I was trying to point out that, to Wells at least, they were not synonyms.
They're not. One major distinction is that almost all forms of anarchism reject the State as a means of organising society, and seek to destroy it. Many (though not all) forms of socialism see the State as a tool to bring about equity in society.
Anarchists of whatever stripe would not generally see a socialist state as a staging post to an anarchist utopia, but would actually oppose it from the outset. It's why socialists usaully shoot anarchists before they get around to the capitalists (if they ever do)  |
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/27/2003 : 07:19:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.:
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"...I lost touch with him years before the break-up of the Soviet Union. I sometimes wonder how that event messed with his world-view."
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Don't write the Soviet Union off just quite yet.
To quote from the computer-game Myst: I strongly suspect that "the end of that story hasn't been writen yet". 
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Computer Org
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 08:27:02 [Permalink]
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To visit a real and modern Socialist State, visit Florida.
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