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byhisgrace88
Formerly "creation88"
USA
166 Posts |
 Posted - 06/26/2003 : 08:49:49
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I'm not trying to be a jurk, but being gay is a choice. You are not born that way. I'm not gonna go on but its your choice. Not just chance.
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Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desire, not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.-- C.S. Lewis |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
 Posted - 06/26/2003 : 09:13:58 [Permalink]
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Believing in god is a choice. You are not born that way. I'm not gonna go on but its your choice. Not just chance.
It is destructive to believe in fairy tales. Far more destructive than anything gay people can do. Look at George Bush and Osama bin Laden. |
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But it's alright-
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/26/2003 : 09:35:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
I'm not trying to be a jurk, but being gay is a choice. You are not born that way. I'm not gonna go on but its your choice. Not just chance. (emphasis added)
For someone trying not to be a jurk, a jurk you are truly being!
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 10:27:00 [Permalink]
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I think Cold In Here is our resident homosexual, he can speak from experience.
I think that he will disagree with you.......
No offense meant Cold |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 10:27:46 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
I'm not trying to be a jurk, but being gay is a choice. You are not born that way. I'm not gonna go on but its your choice. Not just chance.
So it's wrong simply because you happen to believe it's a choice? I don't really understand... |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
343 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 10:57:04 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
I'm not trying to be a jurk, but being gay is a choice. You are not born that way. I'm not gonna go on but its your choice. Not just chance.
If being homosexual is a choice then being heterosexual is a choice. If both are choices then neither are "natural".
How do you know being gay is a choice? How do you know there is no biological component? How can you state facts about something that the leading scientists in the world on the subject are even undecided on?
Stating something as a fact that you have no way of knowing, is called lying. In other words you are making shit up and spreading lies. I have wondered for so long why Christians are so apt to lie despite the commandment in their own religion not to. Can you please explain this?
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
1266 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 15:17:07 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
... being gay is a choice. You are not born that way. ...its (sic) your choice. Not just chance.
So, umm, how old were you when you chose to be heterosexual? I trust I am not mistaken in assuming you are heterosexual. Your statement implies that you woke up one morning and thought, "well, I am attracted to the same sex, but I think I should be heterosexual so I don't get beat up by my classmates and disowned by my parents."
Interesting choice. I, for one, had little choice in the matter. I am very attracted to women, and hardly attracted to men. Maybe you are saying that all people are by nature bisexual, and they choose which gender to prefer? I assure you that is not the case.
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 15:26:00 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Computer Org
quote:
Originally posted by creation88
I'm not trying to be a jurk, but being gay is a choice. You are not born that way. I'm not gonna go on but its your choice. Not just chance. (emphasis added)
For someone trying not to be a jurk, a jurk you are truly being!
Make that spelling, jerk.
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"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 17:09:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
I'm not trying to be a jurk, but being gay is a choice. You are not born that way. I'm not gonna go on but its your choice. Not just chance.
Ok, so let's just say it is a choice. SO WHAT!
What does someone elses 'choice' have to do with you? Why are some people so bothered by it when it doesn't affect them in any way? |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 17:48:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
It is destructive to believe in fairy tales
No it's not!
What's the matter Gorgo, you don't like the arts or imagination.
Beautiful things can come from fantasy.
I love Peter Pan and I wish to be him. I like to live my life as if I were him.
Sometimes I want to be a pirate and I think I am one. Now, if I could only remember where I burried the treasure chest! |
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Dave W.
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USA
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2003 : 04:11:32 [Permalink]
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I'll bet yesterday's Court ruling really got under some people's skin, (like Creation88). Problem is, the ruling had nothing to do with 'gay' and everything to do with privacy.
Why does a misinterpretation of moral teaching thousands of years old need to be made into a law today? These people talk as if this opinion, rather than scrapping a dumb law, is actually a whole new set of laws that will make anything sexual, and non-consensual, now perfectly legal. What has the private affections of consenting and loving adults got to do with things like kiddie porn, bestiality, rape and child molestation? These people are insane! (Falwell on CNN)
Hey! Creation88! Check it out;
http://hcqsa.virtualave.net/dispell.html
If you don't like it, go to the library and check out John Boswell's Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality. Then try reading the stuff for yourself, rather than finding some other authority in the world of bigotry to tell you how to think. Read the website! Read the book! Then, read the Bible, too. Don't just ask some authority figure what you should think. Think for yourself this time!
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"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2003 : 04:18:12 [Permalink]
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Oh, and Creation88, if you care to discuss Christian morality, or the lack thereof, or the dangers of applying a limited and intolerant perspective to human emotion, I'm sure you won't have to look far to find a debate.   |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2003 : 05:16:16 [Permalink]
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| Someone on the boob tube said that the ruling does not change the idea that incest between consenting adults can be ruled by the states as illegal. Why would we need to exclude incest from the rule?? If these are consenting adults, I don't remember what the problem is, do you? |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
343 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2003 : 09:08:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Snake
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Originally posted by Gorgo
It is destructive to believe in fairy tales
No it's not!
What's the matter Gorgo, you don't like the arts or imagination.
Beautiful things can come from fantasy.
I love Peter Pan and I wish to be him. I like to live my life as if I were him.
Sometimes I want to be a pirate and I think I am one. Now, if I could only remember where I burried the treasure chest!
Snake I will disagree, it is destructive to believe one's fairy tale is reality and then try and impose that "reality" on others. There definitely is nothing wrong with fantasy and make believe nor nothing wrong with role modeling after Peter Pan. But do you try and shove Peter Panism down everyone's throat and imply if you do not believe you will never go to Never Never Land? Hehe I have never seen the similarities before, but Christianity and Peter Pan have allot in common :> (Sorry Snake if you feel I am insulting Peter Pan in any way) |
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