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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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 Posted - 07/10/2003 : 10:24:58
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The Presidential Prayer Team
Pray for the White House staff who serve the president, from the highest ranking official to those who serve in less visible positions. Pray that each will be faithful to his or her calling to support the president and the nation, serving with wisdom and integrity. Pray for the president as the leader of his team, that he will have clarity of thought and will inspire the very best from those he leads.
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Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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Jimmy_Reynolds
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USA
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 Posted - 07/10/2003 : 11:05:40 [Permalink]
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As I've said many times in the last few years, Barry Goldwater must be turning over in his grave:
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"By maintaining the separation of church and state," he (Goldwater) explained, "the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars .... Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state:"
A few other choice Goldwater quotes:
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"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
"I don't have any respect for the Religious Right."
"A woman has a right to an abortion."
"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,"
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/10/2003 : 12:53:05 [Permalink]
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| My thoughts and feelings started out at "alright, this is clearly a joke, a subtle satire" and continued to "ok, I want to wake up now. I don't like this dream" and right now I'm unsure whether to feel a little sad or just laugh. It seems like ultrapatriotism combined with religious fundamentalism. A nice little combination... |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2003 : 13:08:15 [Permalink]
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Pray for the president as he works to strengthen ties with Africa.
http://www.au.org/press/pr030708.htm And, of course, let's not forget to pray for the continued growth and strengthening of the alliance and partnership of Pat Robertson and Charles Taylor in 'Freedom Gold', and the hopes that our fine president, chosen by God and the Court, will send more troops abroad.  |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Florduh
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USA
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Posted - 07/13/2003 : 20:25:32 [Permalink]
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Hello, people. I'm new here and wanted to weigh in on this topic since it scares me a little. No, a lot. Most, if not all, presidents have done very un-christian deeds throughout their lives, but always had very visible religious guidance. I'm sure Bill Clinton and the most Reverend Jesse Jackson conducted their prayer breakfasts to trade stories about how cleverly they cheated on their wives. Others who were involved in immoral and criminal activities involving drugs and arms trade, banking, and illegal "black op" deals made a show of religion. The press is glad to show us our politicians going to a church service or meeting with important religious leaders, thus promoting the image that these are decent and moral men. Illegal break-ins and countless coverups were all done by leaders who were receiving high profile religious guidance. I believe that they do this not from sincerely striving to do the morally right thing, but because they know it will score points with the majority of voters. Another case of tell 'em what they want to hear and then do what the hell you want. That's scary enough, but I'm very uneasy knowing that so many people are placated by their show, and believe government policies and actions have a supernatural seal of approval. The religious right in particular believes that America has a moral mandate from god to be his beacon to the world, and they have done an excellent job of promoting this concept. With god on our side, we as a nation can feel free to do whatever it takes to make the rest of the world "right." Can anyone say "Jihad?"
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2003 : 04:16:05 [Permalink]
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Feh! Pray in one hand, piss in the other, and see which one fills up first.
It's disturbing that these people have a lot of influence with the general public. It's even more disturbing that the GP seems to lack the critical thinking skills necessary to tell the difference between genuine, faith-inspired outreach and smarmy, political bullshit.
Jihad? Sure it is, and it's been in place long before our current shithead uh, Great Uniter (hahahaha!) slimed his way into the White House. Remember Falwell's Moral Majority? They are still around and I'd be willing to bet next month's SS check that many of the memberss of that now mostly defunct outfit are part of this Presidential Prayer Team.
Presidential Prayer Team. Catchy title, that. It makes praying sound like a football game, complete with cheerleaders and stale beer in a paper cup.
Hi Florduh. Welcome to SFN!
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"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Julie_Bris
New Member
Australia
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Posted - 07/16/2003 : 21:09:58 [Permalink]
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So much has been written about George W. Bush and his new emphasis on Christian and Family Values, I can't help but think of my favorite GW quote.
At the Republican National Convention in 1988, {George W. Bush} was asked by a Hartford Courant reporter about what he and his father talked about when they weren't talking about politics.
"Pussy," Bush replied.
(I'm sure he was referring to cats.)
http://www.treefort.org/~rgrogan/web/bush.htm
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My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, racism and arrogance. |
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Jimmy_Reynolds
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 08:06:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Presidential Prayer Team. Catchy title, that. It makes praying sound like a football game, complete with cheerleaders and stale beer in a paper cup.
Hi Florduh. Welcome to SFN!
Closer than you think, Filthy. A few years ago, a local teacher publicly characterized me as a believer in UFOs and a proponent of their alien origin.
This, of course, was the diametric opposite of the truth, but the district administrators took her word for it and banned me from the school.
I told them that they might as well have accused Madalyn Murray O'Hair of coming into the school to preach Christianiy, since I was provably an outspoken skeptic, with a national reputation as such.
The teacher had used a series of cute innuendoes, slight twists, and misleading half-truths to make her case.
Among a veritible blizzard of misleading rhetoric, she said, for instance, that "he talked about UFOs" but failed to specify what I had said. She characterized a short story of mine about a UFO hoax as a "book about alien visitation."
This person was a cheerleader coach and an outspoken fundamentalist, the former position probably being the source of her great authority with the administrators, and the latter of her reflexive hostility toward critical thinking, as well as of her compulsion to lie by implication. |
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 12:02:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Julie_Bris
So much has been written about George W. Bush and his new emphasis on Christian and Family Values, I can't help but think of my favorite GW quote.
At the Republican National Convention in 1988, {George W. Bush} was asked by a Hartford Courant reporter about what he and his father talked about when they weren't talking about politics.
"Pussy," Bush replied.
(I'm sure he was referring to cats.)
http://www.treefort.org/~rgrogan/web/bush.htm
Julie surely you realize that was when Bush Jr. was living in sin before turning his life over to the "lard". Now instead of talking about "Pussy" he talks about how many Muslims he can kill or imprison without getting too much heat from international courts and how much money he can milk from the poor and put in the hands of the rich, and how badly he can screw over our Constitution and take away our rights. Praise Jeeeeeeezus
This would be downright funny if it wasn't so freaking true. Now insted of talking about coke, booze, and women, he talks about pushing his right wing Christian Coalition agenda on us and the rest of the world.  We can only hope that he relapses and becomes a coke head alcoholic again. It would be quite an improvement.
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From being drunk on booze, drugs and women to being drunk on power, self righteousness, and Jezus. No matter what it is, going through life drunk is a sad way to go and is destructive to oneself and to others around him. |
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Jimmy_Reynolds
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 12:45:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Julie_Bris
So much has been written about George W. Bush and his new emphasis on Christian and Family Values, I can't help but think of my favorite GW quote.
At the Republican National Convention in 1988, {George W. Bush} was asked by a Hartford Courant reporter about what he and his father talked about when they weren't talking about politics.
"Pussy," Bush replied.
(I'm sure he was referring to cats.)
http://www.treefort.org/~rgrogan/web/bush.htm
This is so typical of rich fundies as to be unremarkable here in West Texas. "Testimonies" about how Jesus has changed their dissolute, licentious lives are a common feature of the fundy lifestyle. It very often sounds as though they are bragging rather than confessing.
"I let the money and the status and my studly good looks go to my head, you see. I used a million dollars worth of coke; 'cause I could afford it, you see; and screwed 400 women in 2 year's time; they was always throwin' their selves at me, you see; but the Lord has changed all that, even though it would be easy to go back to it. Praise Jesus!" |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2003 : 13:26:35 [Permalink]
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Several folks around here seem to believe the "born again" claims of Dubya. I don't completely buy it. It's either rank pandering, or the guy really is a dumb assed redneck whose way through life was cleared by Daddy's silver spoon.
Look, the fundies and their allies have a litmus test for the politicians they support. Qualification one is being a card carrying Republican. Qualification two is being rabidly pro-life. Qualification three is being outspoken about their own homophobia.
Dubya gets an A for being a card carrying Republican, but he drops the ball on the next two. Hr gives lip service to the pro-life stance, but has yet to come out and directly attack pro-choice position with a strong and consistent platform. Yes, he has tried to sneak in a couple of Trojan Horses by the American people that had little chance of making a dent in Roe v. Wade, but no outright attack like the Fundies and their allies are clammoring for. Understand that the Republicans control the Legislature and the Court, and the Religious Right would swoon if the Executive used the power of the bully pulpit to hammer this issue home. For these guys this is the number one issue, and often the only issue.
Next, and almost as disturbing to the R.R. is gay rights. As early as a few days ago, Dubya demonstrated that he would rather talk about Nigerien Yellowcake than to talk about gay rights. He knows that the Fundies will continue to support him as long as he doesn't 'come out' as pro-gay. They think he's a good Christian. So, there's no reason to stir up the hornet's nest of gay activism any more than already has happenned.
No, because of a few of his comments since he claimed to have found Jesus, and his lack of activism for the major issues of the RR, I think if Dubya is actually born again, then he's no more than one of Jimmy R's "dissolute, licentious" fundies that hasn't got a clue, and Rove is pulling all the strings. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 15:15:56 [Permalink]
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Dubya gets an A for being a card carrying Republican, but he drops the ball on the next two. Hr gives lip service to the pro-life stance, but has yet to come out and directly attack pro-choice position with a strong and consistent platform.
I think that's more of a matter of political survival than what Dubya's real intentions would be if he could. This is speculation mind you but here are the points:
1. Enough Americans support pro choice that any strong attack on it could end up destroying his cance for re-election.
2. The court (at least the Supreme Court for the moment) is has enough of a liberal edge to probably overthrow any attempt to outlaw abortion.
3. His sneaky attempts you mention hint at Duby's real intentions if it weren't for that damn popularity he has to worry about.
4. There is little doubt as to who Bush and his closest advisors cater to. His inability to slap Sanatorum (sp?) around when he compared homosexuality with every known sexual deviency speaks volumns about what he would do to gay rights if he again, didn't have to worry about that damn popularity.
5. I see him as walking a tight rope, trying to be appealing to enough Americans to get re-elected while trying his best to promote the wishes of the far extreme right including the Christian Coalition.
6. Your comments on Bush and gay rights actually I think are backwards. Its the large middle of the road Americans that he doesn't want to offend, if he knew he could bash gays I get away with come election day, I think he would. Again that's just my opinion.
7. Lastly he has been so busy with foreign affairs and a shitty economy he hasn't had a chance to focus on volatile issues such as abortion and gay rights.
Bush may not be the most RR fundie in the world, but he in my book is definitely one of them and a few of his cronies could be labeled as some of the most RR fundies in the world.
You also missed a few quals for what fundies expect in their politicians:
1. Deep reverence for the Lard
2. Pushing as much of the Lard into public life as they can.
3. Making sure people buy into their revisionists ideas that this is a Christian nation.
Bush scores A's on the 1st 2 of these and a B on the last, since he hasn't actually directly referred to this nation as a Christian nation yet, although we do get our freedom directly from the "Lard".
Is Bush the perfect candidate for the RR? No, but he's as close as they have gotten in a long time. I think part of the reason he isn't perfect for them is that fitting the role would be political suicide. |
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Julie_Bris
New Member
Australia
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 17:52:13 [Permalink]
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Newsflash!!!!! direct from the Lord
Bush and Charles Manson are being considered for sainthoods
 
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My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, racism and arrogance. |
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