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Tim
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USA
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 Posted - 07/12/2003 : 00:54:59
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http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=5B8BA3C4-54C4-4468-9C25BDC35B2B8B1B
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/6285159.htm
This Uranium story hoax has legs.
The CIA mentioned the bogus deal in it's report originally, so it wasn't a lie...Even though the same report said that the information was unreliable in the very next sentence.
Only yesterday, the Administration was saying that they were quoting the Brits. Therefore, the original assertion was not a lie.
Today, (above links), it's Tenet's fault, therefore not really a lie.
You know, just a few short years ago, a blow job was not really sex, therefore a lie is not a lie.
And, speaking of lies and blow jobs, here's one of the more offbeat articles comparing the Clinton and Bush lies. Gotta love this lady...
http://www.drsusanblock.com/editorial/terror/terror11.ht
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"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Jimmy_Reynolds
New Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/12/2003 : 04:11:29 [Permalink]
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Only yesterday, the Administration was saying that they were quoting the Brits. Therefore, the original assertion was not a lie.
For some reason, this reminds me of the kind of disengenuous semantic hair-splitting that I see a lot from Biblical literalists.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2003 : 05:07:59 [Permalink]
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You don't really expect Bush to assume responsibility for misleading us and most of the world, do you? If so, please don't hold your breath. Nobody looks good in purple.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 07:04:44 [Permalink]
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The same fall out is happening down here....
Our Prime Minister was quick to jump on the Niger/Iraq uranium link, but not so quick to accept responsibility for the stuff up.
Another admission of Iraq doubt
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Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 07/12/2003 : 08:55:55 [Permalink]
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An update on Bush and his inability to answer any questions.
From http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0711-12.htm
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"I gave a speech to the nation that was cleared by intelligence services. It was a speech that detailed to the American people the dangers posed by the Saddam Hussein regime," Bush said.
"My government took the appropriate response to the dangers, and as a result the world is more secure and more peaceful"(Yeah right Dubya, ask your soldiers in Iraq copping stray bullets) Bush said after talks with Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni.
As a reporter tried to ask Bush a follow-up question, Museveni hurriedly waved the press away.
Italics entered by me, emphasis added my me as well
Edited, spelling again
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Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 11:12:40 [Permalink]
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Tenet statement taking responsibility for Iraq charge
Author : Karl Rove |
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 07/12/2003 : 12:37:19 [Permalink]
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Someone stop me.......
Am I being a little over the top....
Stuff it
From Take Back the Media
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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2003 : 00:04:00 [Permalink]
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Don't forget that there were two other, much more important claims made by Bush before the war: We know Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and we know Saddam Hussein's regime gives support to Al Qaeda. Bush's spinners are deflecting all the attention they can onto the Niger-uranium issue precisely because they do have a scapegoat and plausible deniability for that lie.
I want the media to focus on the other claims now. I want the people to demand to know exactly what the President knew and when he knew it.
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2003 : 13:26:01 [Permalink]
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| The "Nigerian Uranium" story was a fraud from the very beginning, and a "known" one for any, who bothered to look. Dubya's fig leaf is that he said, the British have reported it. True, and a timely distinction for misleading the American public. Tenet being a loyal Bushite soldier, falls upon his sword. Fine, but what of our real soldiers, who daily receive attacks of deadly intent? Will such distinctions be of any comfort to families, that have and are still, losing members? Will Dubya be called upon to answer for his antics, by a republican congress presided over by the same 'justices,' who elected him in the first place? Ha! More likely they will just name another carrier after him. |
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
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Posted - 07/14/2003 : 20:02:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by NubiWan
... More likely they will just name another carrier after him.
IIRC, naming a warship after a person is like depicting a person on our coinage- it's an honor for the dead.
Brain dead don't qualify- you've gotta be decomposing.
It sort of reminds me of the definition of "statesman" as "a dead politician".  |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2003 : 04:20:01 [Permalink]
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I think the Bush apologists are getting desperate. The latest line I heard on CNN was that Clinton used the same intelligence to bomb Iraq in '98. If that's really true then I guess it means if Clinton screwed up, then Bush can screw up even bigger!
Posted by Dog_Ed quote:
Don't forget that there were two other, much more important claims made by Bush before the war: We know Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and we know Saddam Hussein's regime gives support to Al Qaeda.
Sure, but the press doesn't seem interested. Maybe, they're too busy mourning the loss of Ari. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Jimmy_Reynolds
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2003 : 06:07:51 [Permalink]
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IIRC, naming a warship after a person is like depicting a person on our coinage- it's an honor for the dead.
Brain dead don't qualify- you've gotta be decomposing.
It sort of reminds me of the definition of "statesman" as "a dead politician".
Traditionally, U.S. ships were not named for living persons. The first break with this practice since the Civil War came in the mid-70s when the newly authorized carrier CVN-70 was named for retired Senator John Stennis. As many predicted, this started a trend. Next, a new destroyer was named for retired Admiral Arleigh Burke while Burke was still alive. Since then, two more aircraft carriers have been named for living people, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, and the nuclear submarine SSN-23 for Jimmy Carter.
Until well after World War 2, the rules for naming warships were straightforward: battleships for states, cruisers for cities, carriers for battles or famous ships of the past, destroyers for (dead) people, and submarines for various marine creatures. This system has been breaking down ever since, partly because warship classifications have changed but also because of politics and public relations. Today, almost anything goes. The Los Angeles class submarines (over 60 built from the 70s to the 90s) were named for cities, but their successors, the Seawolf class, are named so far for a critter (Seawolf), a state (Connecticut), and a living person (Jimmy Carter).
Even hull numbers, formerly almost sacrosanct and assigned in simple numerical order, have been corrupted. The design project that led to the Seawolf was called SSN-21, meaning SSN (nuclear submarine) for the 21st century. This was simply a jargonish project designation. The boat itself should have been SSN-774, since it followed SSN-773 (USS Greenville) in the sequence of US submarines. This sequence dated back to 1900 and the first US submarine, the Holland (SS-1), which had been named for its designer, John P. Holland. For some reason, probably PR, the Navy decided to keep SSN-21 as the hull number for the Seawolf and start the series over at 21.
About a year ago, there was an internet hoax claiming that one of the new carriers would be named for Trent Lott. This ludicrous claim actually got some traction because those familiar with recent naming practices weren't entirely sure that it was really a joke. It was, but the actual name, George H.W. Bush, wasn't much better. When the Bush name was announced, many remembered the USS Trent Lott hoax and refused to believe that this new report wasn't a joke as well. |
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