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ljbrs
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It really depends on many factors.
1. The area you live in and what is acceptable there.
2. The individual - This is the important factor. Some women will defy the norms just because that's the way they are regardless of what others think as long as they think it's OK. As far as I'm concerned, these are the women I would rather have ask me out anyway
Great. You ought to have absolutely no trouble with the *right kinds* of women. The other kinds do not matter. You cannot please them all. I always was myself. Playing *phony roles* simply was too boring and the result of doing so was never very positive. Being oneself always got rid of the wrong kinds of people and everybody was happy with the outcome.
I was always an *individual*. Following the crowd was so boring. My idea of hell would be an endless cocktail party with boring conversations ad infinitum...
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I have been tardy about reading this thread, so excuse the late reply. Now, to go back to reading the others. I have a lot of catching up to do.
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Posted - 08/03/2001 : 19:24:14 [Permalink]
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Well, one can decide if one wishes to have a bunch of one-night stands or whether one wishes to live a wonderful life. You cannot have it all ways.
Long-term relationships are more difficult to accomplish. Anybody can do a lot of one-night stands. That can be very, very dangerous, however...
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Trish
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Posted - 08/03/2001 : 22:17:07 [Permalink]
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Hey, Trish!
Can I take you out to dinner, then?  
LOL! Um, well, um, no time right now. Barely enough time to get through the board periodically. Besides for me dinner IS breakfast.
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Snake
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Posted - 08/04/2001 : 02:22:37 [Permalink]
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Well, one can decide if one wishes to have a bunch of one-night stands or whether one wishes to live a wonderful life. You cannot have it all ways.
Of course that's only your value judgement. I wouldn't want people to think those are the only choices('either or')or the average way of thinking.
A wonderful life and one night stands have not to do with each other.
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tergiversant
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Posted - 08/10/2001 : 07:07:15 [Permalink]
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I cannot believe you are blaming the victims as if they were too lazy to try to have careers. What on Earth makes you think this was the case? Women often tried and failed because they were socially repressed, or more often did not try because they feared the inevitable backlash.
1st of all, what the hell is a strawman, you didn't explain?
It is a common logical fallacy, just look it up.
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And yes, if you want to put it that way, I'm blaming the SO CALLED victim. People can claim to be whatever they want if it suits them.
In this case it so happens their claims are facts.
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Why only talk about women, men have not had it so easy either. Why does there have to be such a great divide? Sounds like a lot of people are 'jumping on the band wagon' because it's popular.
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If you've spotted a bandwagon fallacy, please point out the exact quotation where it happened, otherwise you are merely speculating about people's psychological motives for reasoning as they do, and thereby committing circumstantial ad hominem, a fallacy unto itself.
The facts (such as employment demographics) bear out that women have been (and in many instances are even now) underrepresented in the workplace, especially in academia and the so-called professions such as medicine, law, and arms. Typically, this underrepresentation was the result of explicit or implicit rules and norms preventing women from entering these fields.
In short, the great divide here is nothing less than systemic sociocultural gender bias.
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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Wendy
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Posted - 08/11/2001 : 05:35:59 [Permalink]
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The facts (such as employment demographics) bear out that women have been (and in many instances are even now) underrepresented in the workplace, especially in academia and the so-called professions such as medicine, law, and arms. Typically, this underrepresentation was the result of explicit or implicit rules and norms preventing women from entering these fields.
In short, the great divide here is nothing less than systemic sociocultural gender bias.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. (Okay, that's not original.)
We are still talking about dating, right?
Snake, I do apologize on behalf of myself and those like me who have complicated your dating life by sending mixed messages. I have not stressed wanting a monogamous relationship, because you would not believe the sort of black-hole-of-endless-need, energy-draining, life-sucking, potentially psychopathic losers want to be the one. Quite frankly, it's scary. (Yeah, that's an excuse, but it's a valid excuse. ) I do not want to remarry, but I would prefer a monogamous relationship. I like running my own household, but I also like sex, and would prefer not to pick up any nasty STDs.
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Snake
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Posted - 08/12/2001 : 04:49:01 [Permalink]
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The facts (such as employment demographics) bear out that women have been (and in many instances are even now) underrepresented in the workplace
Why does everyone have to be represented?
So what if there are not enough of one kind of person or another? The best man...(ah,er, LOL, person, to you) should be doing the job. An employer would be stupid not to hire the one who does the best for his company, so when the competence is there they should/will be working.
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tergiversant
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Posted - 08/13/2001 : 03:12:39 [Permalink]
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The facts (such as employment demographics) bear out that women have been (and in many instances are even now) underrepresented in the workplace.
Why does everyone have to be represented?
They do not have to be represented, though in a truly free society they would be. Once equal access to the workplace was granted, women flooded it in droves.
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So what if there are not enough of one kind of person or another?
Not enough women? Unlikely.
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The best man...(ah,er, LOL, person, to you) should be doing the job. An employer would be stupid not to hire the one who does the best for his company, so when the competence is there they should/will be working.
Your claim is thus that women are underrepresented because they are incompetent?
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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ljbrs
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Posted - 08/17/2001 : 18:02:50 [Permalink]
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Well, one can decide if one wishes to have a bunch of one-night stands or whether one wishes to live a wonderful life. You cannot have it all ways.
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Of course that's only your value judgement. I wouldn't want people to think those are the only choices('either or')or the average way of thinking.
A wonderful life and one night stands have not to do with each other.
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One night stands are very dangerous. They never lead to a wonderful life (sadly). Sooner or later it catches up with a person. It is very sad that this is so. I think that there are a lot of better ways to live one's life.
Happiness is a creation of the mind. If one spends most of one's time looking toward the best in people rather than in looking for their weaknesses, one has a good chance of enjoying life. Concentrating on the negative always has nasty consequences for the person doing the negative bit. If you look for the best things in any relationship, your life will improve. You have the power to make things wonderful for yourself. It is in one's power to decide which way one wishes to live and to get with it.
When faced with an unpleasant situation, I always try to find something positive to concentrate on. Being nice to people has great results.
Goodness, I sound like a preacher. Heaven forbid!
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Snake
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Posted - 08/17/2001 : 20:38:39 [Permalink]
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One night stands are very dangerous. They never lead to a wonderful life (sadly). Sooner or later it catches up with a person. It is very sad that this is so. I think that there are a lot of better ways to live one's life.
Would you mind explaining that? It makes no sense.
You are making a value judgement based on YOUR thinking. To me being with someone different is exciting and fun. It's the adventure of it all. LOL, sort of like the saying, ''Getting there is half the fun.''
Once you are there, it's anti-climactic, forgive the pun, to be with the same person too long. Boarrrrring.
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ljbrs
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Posted - 08/18/2001 : 11:31:13 [Permalink]
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One night stands are very dangerous. They never lead to a wonderful life (sadly). Sooner or later it catches up with a person. It is very sad that this is so. I think that there are a lot of better ways to live one's life.
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Would you mind explaining that? It makes no sense.
You are making a value judgement based on YOUR thinking. To me being with someone different is exciting and fun. It's the adventure of it all. LOL, sort of like the saying, ''Getting there is half the fun.''
Once you are there, it's anti-climactic, forgive the pun, to be with the same person too long. Boarrrrring.
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To each his/her own. In great relationships, the *getting there* never ends. I have always been careful to select my men from the group of men who have INTELLECTUAL DEPTH. In such relationships, one never succeeds in *getting there* because there is always more to explore.
I did not before mention the reasons for the DANGERS in one-night stands (or sexual promiscuity). The list of sexually-transmitted diseases is a mile long and running. Most of the sexually-transmitted diseases are debilitating, and a good many of them are eventually fatal. One should do everything in one's power to protect oneself against such an onslaught of sexually-transmitted diseases. In such cases where *sex* is well protected, it saves the poor taxpayers from coming up with more money to pay for the medical treatments for the people who engage in unprotected sexual relationships.
Now, I was really trying to get around an actual discussion of this subject. One-night stands are very dangerous. However, any relationship with the WRONG person can also be very dangerous. Being married to someone who is having affairs on the side is very, very dangerous. Look at the poor women in Africa who are married to philanderers who bring home diseases to infect the wives. In America, it has happened often. AIDS is gaining in strength in all countries and is PREVENTABLE. Just try talking to people who are unaware of the danger they are putting themselves in. They do not want to know...  
O.K. I happen to prefer a certain kind of man. I would have bored you to tears. That is life. The women to whom you would be attracted would not be at all like me. Variety is the spice of life. Do your thing and I shall do my thing.
There is one other thing. One should attempt to be as nice a person as possible, because creeps live with creeps 24 hours a day AND CANNOT GET AWAY FROM THEMSELVES. I always try to make the world a little better.
Now, you do your thing. I shall do my thing. In this way we are not really meddling into each other's business. Everybody's happy. My taste is obviously not your taste, but, so what? As long as I am not forced to live unprotected from the irrational dictums of others, I shall never complain.
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Snake
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Posted - 09/03/2001 : 23:55:24 [Permalink]
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1st of all, what the hell is a strawman, you didn't explain?
It is a common logical fallacy, just look it up.
Ok, I did look it up from that link you gave and it didn't say anything about something being a fallacy.
However, it would be better if people spoke proper English without slang so we could all debate equally. Slang is difficult to look up and not everyone knows what it means.
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Snake
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Posted - 09/04/2001 : 00:15:33 [Permalink]
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In great relationships, the *getting there* never ends. I have always been careful to select my men from the group of men who have INTELLECTUAL DEPTH.
ljbrs
That to me is boring. If I want Intellectual, I go to a lecture or take a class. Give me a guy with long black hair, and hot sweaty sex, thank you.
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I did not before mention the reasons for the DANGERS in one-night stands (or sexual promiscuity). The list of sexually-transmitted diseases is a mile long and running. Most of the sexually-transmitted diseases are debilitating, and a good many of them are eventually fatal.
The list isn't all that long and not all that many of them are fatal. I think you are a bit hysterical about that.
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One should do everything in one's power to protect oneself against such an onslaught of sexually-transmitted diseases. In such cases where *sex* is well protected, it saves the poor taxpayers from coming up with more money to pay for the medical treatments for the people who engage in unprotected sexual relationships.
All the guys I've been with were good enough to use protection and over the years and all they guys, I've only had one problem, my doctor said it might not have been caused by sexual contact also, so who knows what happened. I took medication and my partner never knew a thing.
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Now, I was really trying to get around an actual discussion of this subject. One-night stands are very dangerous. However, any relationship with the WRONG person can also be very dangerous. Being married to someone who is having affairs on the side is very, very dangerous. Look at the poor women in Africa who are married to philanderers who bring home diseases to infect the wives.
One can't worry about the whole world. If that's the way their culture is, it's their problme. There are people who are trying to help but it's a slow process. I can't do anything about it, only myself.
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tergiversant
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Posted - 09/04/2001 : 08:20:08 [Permalink]
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1st of all, what the hell is a strawman, you didn't explain?
It is a common logical fallacy, just look it up.
Ok, I did look it up from that link you gave and it didn't say anything about something being a fallacy.
The very first page to come up in the search is entitled The Logical Fallacies: Straw Man. All the others mention the strawman fallacy in some form or another.
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However, it would be better if people spoke proper English without slang so we could all debate equally. Slang is difficult to look up and not everyone knows what it means.
It is only "slang" in the sense that the jargon of science is slang to those who do not practice science. But as to those that pratice reasoning, this particular fallacy is part of the common lexicon of logic, it is to be found in any nearly introductory logic text. I would think that avowed skeptics would first and foremost value valid and sound reasoning, and thus make use of the technical terminology of the logicians.
I'm not trying to be a high and mighty philosopher here, I'm just trying to describe arguments as they are that we may reason correctly.
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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Trish
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Posted - 09/06/2001 : 21:45:18 [Permalink]
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It is only "slang" in the sense that the jargon of science is slang to those who do not practice science. But as to those that pratice reasoning, this particular fallacy is part of the common lexicon of logic, it is to be found in any nearly introductory logic text. I would think that avowed skeptics would first and foremost value valid and sound reasoning, and thus make use of the technical terminology of the logicians.
I'm not trying to be a high and mighty philosopher here, I'm just trying to describe arguments as they are that we may reason correctly.
Reasoning may or may not follow the rules of logic. You seem to be well educated in the subject, however, because you are and practice it with such rigidity does not mean that all who are skeptics follow such rigidity.
Logic is a helpful tool, but it is only that, a tool. First, you must determine if all your premises are true or false. Logic is a tool that will help you determine if the inductions drawn are correct.
Unfortunately, without understanding your inflections in language you do sound as tho you are looking down at others who are not as well versed in logic. This is the second time you have used this particular attack against someone on this board. (Sorry, but this is how it seems.) You've accused others of failing to learn logic. Well, I'm sorry, I happen to be a single mother who works full time, has to take a second job to make ends meet, and will attempt to return to college for my bachelors in Jan 2002. I don't necessarily have the time to study logic that you do.
Neither is the study of logic strictly the only way to skepticism. If you view the begining and the end of skepticism as only through the rules of logic then you need to look and check your own biases at the door. Not everyone has the luxury of having the time to make sure that every argument made is perfectly acceptable to the rules of logic. You imply that this is the only acceptable means by which to argue or debate any point.
Not everyone here has the time or the resourses to become as well versed in logic as you. Some of us do use and apply skepticism in our daily lives and in areas that most individuals don't bother to consider and to worry about. That's probably why we are self avowed skeptics.
Reason correctly. I must reason according to your rules? Sounds like dogmatism to me.
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