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Doomar
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 Posted - 02/15/2004 : 22:51:39 [Permalink]
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The ideas of helping one's neighbor originate from the Judeo/Christian ethic.
That statement is just so full of *!!@#! Whatever you did to convince yourself of this, I can not know, but you have an obligation not to lie to yourself like that.
Doc, I just read it in the Bible, "Love your neighbor as yourself....do good to all men...especially to them of the household of faith...visit the fatherless and widows....remember the poor...give and it shall be given unto you...it is more blessed to give than to receive." Any of these words striking the chords of memory? Even the old testament encouraged kindness to strangers and foreigners, "because you were once strangers and foreigners in a strange land". I don't hear such things being quoted from the Koran or Confuscious and Americans (for the most part) did not grow up with such books anyway. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Doomar
SFN Regular
USA
714 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 23:08:43 [Permalink]
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Dave said:
You are very much mistaken if you think that many evolutionists believe that because God did not create the universe in six literal days, He did not create the universe at all.
Hmmm, I wasn't aware of evolutionists caving to the belief in a created universe. That is interesting. I've heard of creationist who believe such things, but not evolutionists. This is confusing. Perhaps this explains my questions of another post to Dr.Mabuse about the confusing new evolutionary theory. So you are saying that there are evolutionists that believe God created the universe, only He did it by evolutionary methods over billions of years? Creation by the ultra slow, wake me in a billion years when it's finished method? Wow, which God would this be, anyway? The Judeo/Christian God says it took Him 6 days, and affirmed that many times. Guess that would mean that plant life began a billion or so years before sea life and birds, and they began a billion or so years before the other animals, and sometime within the last billion years of creation, God made mammals and such, along with man at the last. Only it clearly says he formed them out of the ground, each individually...not from each other, so He had to create them individually as seperate species. If this is the suggested theory, how is this evolution? Doesn't evolutionary theory still believe in interspecies evolution..bacterium, to amoeba, to bug to frog to bird to mouse....to man? You are really confusing me. Please state your belief clearly so us creationist, fanatical idiots can understand wherein you stand. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 00:37:22 [Permalink]
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Sarcasm, Doomar, is unbecoming of a person who claims to follow Jesus. The fact that you are still unaware, after a couple of posts in this thread in which I mentioned them, of "Old-Earth Creationists" or "Theistic Evolutionists," is a sign that you are less than willing to consider what I say. As such, I am less than inclined to answer your requests, as it is probable, at this point, that I will be wasting my time.
Besides which, God is allegedly ineffable. Who are you, mere mortal, to doubt the possibility that God had a plan, thoroughly unknowable to you, in creating the diversity of life we see on Earth over four billion years? Who are you to say that the Bible is necessarily literally correct, when it's quite possible that some other mere mortal simply made a mistake when writing down what God told him? Who are you to judge that the image provided by the Bible about the Judeo/Christian God is even slightly accurate?
Because mortals cannot know the mind or will of an ineffable God, I submit to you that it is possible that a real deity is lounging around somewhere outside this universe, slapping Its knee with gales of laughter, saying to itself, "I can't believe those 'Christians' fell for that crap!"
To even imply that you know the mind of God is an act of hubris, and if I'm not mistaken, the Bible records that God doesn't take kindly to such acts. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 05:56:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Doomar
The ideas of helping one's neighbor originate from the Judeo/Christian ethic.
That statement is just so full of *!!@#! Whatever you did to convince yourself of this, I can not know, but you have an obligation not to lie to yourself like that.
Doc, I just read it in the Bible, "Love your neighbor as yourself....do good to all men...especially to them of the household of faith...visit the fatherless and widows....remember the poor...give and it shall be given unto you...it is more blessed to give than to receive." Any of these words striking the chords of memory?
I do not deny that loving your neighbour is taught by judeo/christianity.
What I will not accept is your statement that the idea of loving you neighbour ORIGINATED from judeo/christianity ethics. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 06:25:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
Dear Dr.,
Please, call me Mabuse, or Mab for short. Dr. is the title of the fictional character from which I took my username.
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I appreciate your candor about your own experience in the Pentecostal realm of religion. I've had my own go of it. Perhaps we have many of the same distastes. The constant seeking of "feelings" and affirmations can get pretty annoying. The revving up and "getting on fire" is usually just so much emotionalism.
The Pentecostal church of Sweden is probably less focused on emotionalism than the American branch. I've tried other churches too, but my conclusion remained the same.
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On another note, I've had an evolutionist tell me that they don't believe in Darwin's complete theory of evolution, only parts of it...but the main part they disagree with is the same part Creationists disagree with, that evolution from one species to the next (pig to horse, monkey to human)does not happen. Of course, that being the main bone of contention, it seems that Evolutionary theory is defunct of its guts.
It is not Evolutionary theory that is defunct, it is your understanding of it.
"Darwinian theory" or evolutionary theory have never proposed that a pig evolves to horse or that a monkey evolves to man!
That is Creationist Priesthood's favourite lie about evolution, because they know that if they allow other creationists the possibility to understand the true version of the theory, people will start converting from creationism.
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No evolutionist I meet is able to define the true meaning of evolutionary theory. Can you help me?
That depends on how you define "the true meaning". The theory of evolution is a description of how the biological evolution works. If you are looking for some underlying purpose, the answer to the question "why am I here" you will not get an answer, because that is not what the theory was made to answer. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 06:54:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
Dave said:
You are very much mistaken if you think that many evolutionists believe that because God did not create the universe in six literal days, He did not create the universe at all.
Hmmm, I wasn't aware of evolutionists caving to the belief in a created universe. That is interesting. I've heard of creationist who believe such things, but not evolutionists. This is confusing.
Then you really need to study the theory of evolution as taught by scientists, and not as taught by the Creationist Priesthood.
Because what they teach is a false image of what evolution is. Evolving pig to horse is just such a blatant lie.
Cosmologists disagree about the origin of the universe. Some say that the Big Bang was initiated by a quantum fluctuation (yes, quantum mechanics allow the creation of something from nothing, but that's another topic) or that the singularity in the beginning that became the Big Bang came from a U-turn in the dimentions because the universe might be wrapped around itself. The point is, we have no means to study the beginning by experimentation, what initiated the start will probably never be discovered by science. This is where we might find God, if he does exist. Christian evolutionists think that the mutations that spawned different spices was directed by God. Atheists thinks that pure chance did it.
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Perhaps this explains my questions of another post to Dr.Mabuse about the confusing new evolutionary theory. So you are saying that there are evolutionists that believe God created the universe, only He did it by evolutionary methods over billions of years? Creation by the ultra slow, wake me in a billion years when it's finished method?
Basically, yes. With the slight difference that he wasn't sleeping while it happened.
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Wow, which God would this be, anyway? The Judeo/Christian God says it took Him 6 days, and affirmed that many times.
If you insist on a literal interpretation, that's when the conflict arise.
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Guess that would mean that plant life began a billion or so years before sea life and birds, and they began a billion or so years before the other animals, and sometime within the last billion years of creation, God made mammals and such, along with man at the last.
Apart from the timeline being screwed up, yes. Earth's estimated age is 4,5 billion years. Remnants of bacteria has been found in rock dated 3,8 billion years old. There weren't any multi-celled organisms until ~1billion years ago. Animals and plants evolved side by side.
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