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Phobos
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 22:05:26 [Permalink]
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There was a time when people like Doomar and Darwin Alogos stuck around for awhile and actually followed up on his or her arguments. Lately, Doomar seems merely to scan this board when the occasional mood strikes him. DA seems to have gone into SFN retirement.
Dear Tim,
You are right, I haven't been around for many months. Just happened to read your comment today. You're right about the mood thing,too. I really haven't been in the mood. I just happened on this new fellow's post (on fire for Christ). I haven't read all his arguments, but certainly agree with the creationist viewpoint. One of the notes mentions how evolutionists don't deny the existence of God. Somehow, I find that hard to believe, seeing they (most I've met) ever live to punish anyone who believes in God for their "stupid" ideas. The evolutionist's false evidence, as on fire alludes to, is certainly a reality. Is evidence fact or simply supposition about facts, facts that can be contrived to mean different things depending on your argument and point of view. When one claims that fossil records prove or disprove something, they are taking a certain view of what the fossil records mean as support of their argument. However, one can have a totally different and just as plausable explanation that comes to another conclusion. Therefore, one's belief system is usually what one falls back upon, the evolutionists to his, the Christian to his. The evolutionist falls back to his evolutionary theory that supports the idea of himself as an evolved being without divine purpose, not created, but evolved from lower lifeforms, without any purpose to his life higher than his own thoughts or pleasure, without eternal purpose or destiny, just a few years on this planet, then nothingness. The Christian, however, has found love, forgiveness, grace, from a being far greater than himself. A being that sought him out in love to save him from certain destruction because of his wicked nature. With that love comes purpose, meaning, fulfillment, understanding, wisdom, and love for his fellow man. There are also the words of the Bible written by believers inspired by their creator. Words about justice, right and wrong, love and hate, mercy and unforgiveness, faith and unbelief. Words that instruct one how to live this life with the help and mercy of God and the promise of eternal life to all who will trust and follow the Son of God, the Savior of the World.
Now, having looked briefly at the two beliefs, I must conclude that the Christian way offers hope to men and purpose, while the atheistic views of evolutionists seem to offer...meaninglessness, hopelessness. Only "Missourism--gotta see it" and "skepticism" of life. No hope for fallen, selfish men, just a clinical realism of what they can see with their eye and hear with their ears. The greater things of live, which are invisible, they either cannot grasp, or refuse to recognize the relevance of things like love, hope, peace, trust....along with the negative side of these things. It is these unseen things that drive the human race. The very motivation of life for each individual comes from a hidden, unseeable, intangible thing...and therein lies the deception of evolutionism that teaches the evolving of one species to another over billions of years. The argument does include the unseen motivations/beliefs of evolutionists, only those beliefs are ugly and unbecoming, so they hide them behind "science, falsely so called". |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 23:00:49 [Permalink]
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Doomar, the life of this atheist is full of love, hope, peace, trust, and all the rest. I just see no need to get those things from someone I've never met, when I can get all I want, and more, from the people around me right now. These "greater things" in life, I assure you, are embraced by most of us. Perhaps moreso than for theists, since we don't take an "eternal life" of Divine love into consideration - what we can find is what we get.
My life is certainly not meaningless to me, I enjoy life very much, and I find it annoying that it will end someday. Really, my life is only meaningless in the grand scheme of things, in that it's more than likely that 1,000 years from now, I will be a statistic, and nothing more.
The only way I can see for anyone's life to have more meaning than what they give it themselves is to work extremely hard to be one of those very, very few individuals who truly make a mark on the world. Those kinds of people - the kind of person whose grave is visited by strangers - they are remembered by more than friends and family after they're gone, and that remembrance gives their lives meaning beyond whatever meaning they were able to find in it themselves.
I find the promise of eternal life to be a sham. Heaven appears to me to be a place in which conflict, of any sort, is prohibited. In such a place, one's hopes and dreams are either fulfilled or forbidden. There is no possible way, with such conditions, to get a feeling of "accomplishment" from anything. I find that to be anathema to the idea of "life," and I would much rather just turn to dust or be consigned to a lake of fire when my time here is up.
By the way, evolutionists do not point to one thing, like the fossil record, and claim it proves or disproves anything. What does is the totality of the evidence, from the fields of geology, paleontology, biology, astronomy, sociology, (etc), when looked at all together. It is, instead, often Creationists who point to one thing, and falsely claim that it "disproves" evolution. Creation science is "science, falsely so called" indeed. |
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 23:47:36 [Permalink]
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| Dave, I appreciate your reply. I don't doubt that some less radical atheists try to fill their lives with meaning, love, and everything they can find. Your wife or children may be an inspiration to you, but they are symbols of hidden concepts of life that your religion denies...These concepts cannot be touched and probed like rocks, but they are oh, so real. I am simply pointing out the inconsistancy of a belief that excludes the unseeable God from any explaination because he can't be seen or touched, yet claims to believe in the untangibles of life like hope, love, and so on. Is it so hard to see why some of us believe in an unseen God (the very giver of all the good things everyone has) when we also believe in these other intangibles? |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 00:41:22 [Permalink]
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Doomar, you have yet to provide a single example of anything - except God - which cannot in some way be measured. Hopes, while subjective, are none-the-less measurable, in that the people who experience them can usually, at some point in time, say that those hopes have either been fulfilled or been dashed to smithereens. In that fashion, any particular hope, like love, often has a limited existence, is subject to change based upon outside factors, and is otherwise "real."
Hope and love can both be probed easily, with questions:
- "Do you hope to be a millionaire?"
- "Do you still love your wife?"
I know they are real, and the vast majority of atheists know these things are real. They affect us each and every day, and are in no way "hidden." Denial of them would be madness, which is why it is strange that you think that my (non-existant) religion does so.
The theory of evolution, after all, does not exclude God. Instead, it simply does not require God as an axiom. As I said before, the only way in which evolution conflicts with Christianity is if you believe in a literal six-day Creation, and Adam being created literally from dust. If your ideas about God require those things to be true, then you will find conflict between your religious ideas and the science which supports evolution. If your ideas about God do not require those ideas, the conflict does not exist.
This is such an important point, it needs to be restated: the only things which bring evolution into conflict with religious beliefs are your particular religious beliefs. The theory of evolution does not exclude God. Instead, your beliefs exclude evolution.
I submit to you that your ideas about what is or is not tangible are faulty. Ask a psychologist or philosopher. I further submit to you that your ideas about evolution are not shared by the people who understand and accept evolution - Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Druid, Shaman, and Atheist "evolutionists" alike (not an all-inclusive list).
That's the point, really: your argument does not rest upon solid ground when there are, indeed, truly devout and faithful people who also accept evolution as biological fact. |
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Renae
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 07:24:05 [Permalink]
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Doomar, I don't think you know how patronizing and dismissive your type of thinking can come across to those of us who simply believe differently than you do.
It's sheer ego surfing (and perhaps even arrogance) to assume that because of your belief in God, your life is somehow richer and more beautiful than those who believe otherwise.
I too have love and hope in my life. Nature and art bring me great peace and joy and sometimes (in my less cynical moments), even feelings of transcendence and peace. I can look outside my window and see the sun sparkle on the snow on the Olympic Mountains. I can't see a supreme being anywhere but in my head.
I simply can't 100% embrace or accept the idea of a supreme being. My thinking doesn't include a belief that one doesn't or can't exist. Instead, based on my intuition, education, and experience, I can't embrace the idea.
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 09:43:18 [Permalink]
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Renae,
There may be some truth to what you say about me, but that is no reason to dismiss the inconsistency of belief among atheists as trivial. Atheists deny the spirit and soul of man, yet both you and Dave have exhibited beliefs that acknowledge the soul. Love, hope, even joy, anger, frustration, and so on are unseen and untouchable aspects of humanity. The will to do something, to act, is an untangible part of the spirit of man, yet atheists and modern pschologists for the most part don't seem to grasp the inconsistency of their belief that eliminates the spirit and soul from consideration, holding to body and mind as the only aspects of humanity. In the same vain they eliminate God because He is unseen, though his works are not.
Dave,
You say that evolutionists don't deny God, only deny his part in Creation. Huh? If there is a God, do you think he'd be happy with such an attitude, to deny his part in creating everything, to deny the intelligence of design, the beauty and glory of what He has done? You don't seem to grasp what it means to believe in the God of Christianity/Judiaism. This God, unlike other lesser gods that people believe in, actually claims to be creator/planner of the universe. He has done many miraculous signs in past history that you explain away, thus making it possible for you to be an atheist. If you did study more about this God (or maybe just the nature of man), it could shake your belief to the core. The evidence of His existence is far greater than you can even imagine. Your belief blinds you to the possibility and, thus, it is seen by me and millions of others to be foolish, indeed.
The fact that there are so many confused people out their in various religions, including Christianity, does not make them the source of deception, as "on fire for Christ" is pointing out in his own way. The motivation for twisting 'evidence' by those in position to do so to maintain their own corrupt beliefs is very strong. Indeed, this motivation can be on both sides, but to not acknowledge this possibility, as a skeptic, is to remain in a simple "partisan battle" instead of probing beneath it all to find the truth. |
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Renae
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 10:44:22 [Permalink]
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Well, first, I'm not an atheist; I'm agnostic. It's a small difference but an important one to me.
Existence of the spirit or the soul is separate, in my mind, from the existence of God. I haven't written much here about my beliefs regarding the soul, so I'm curious as to how you know what they are.
People dear to me have passed away and it's hard for me to reconcile in my mind and heart that they are just....gone. When they handed me the ashes of my dear furbaby, I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that this box contained his impishness, his soft fur, his affection, his sweetness, his mischeiviousness, etc.
I believe the ones who love us (pets, friends, and family) never really leave us, even in death. Perhaps it's their spirit; perhaps it's their memories; perhaps it's something else entirely. But they stay with us, and that's all that matters to me.
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 11:40:04 [Permalink]
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[quote]Originally posted by Renae
Well, first, I'm not an atheist; I'm agnostic. It's a small difference but an important one to me.
Dear Renae,
I used to be agnostic until the day God woke me up by showing me that he was alive and well and loved me. It was a subjective experience for sure, but none the less real and life changing for me. I could no longer continue using God's name in vain (one of many sins) when I realized that He (being Jesus) was alive and caring about me. I understood agnosticism to be one who didn't think God could be known personally. I had never met anyone up to that day who claimed to have met the Lord. Since then I have met many and have known a few who actually show evidence of knowing God. That evidence being many things, not the least of which is an ability to suffer and forgive grievous wrongs to their person and love their enemies in spite of it.
My thoughts were directed toward atheisim, which is a complete rejection of God or divine being of any kind. The utter immorality of atheism is based upon the atheist, by definition, having other gods besides the Lord, (themselves being their own god in most cases)as they refuse to acknowlege any greater spirit or god and, thus, pride, is their chief sin. They exhalt man's thinking as the greatest good and fail to recognize the source of all goodness, being, by definition, unthankful to the creator, and many times despising those who profess a belief in deity. They also fail to recognize how most active charities are promoted by God fearing people. I do not know of any "Atheistic Society to help the poor and afflicted of the world". They would eliminate all mention of God in our country and the world if they could. They actively seek to do so in their corruption. Freedom of religion and speech, and tolerance is not part of their belief system. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Renae
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 12:19:03 [Permalink]
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Doomar, you are apparently only interested in proseltyzing, not having a conversation.
I'm not even going to comment on the bigotry and arrogance in your belief that only "God-fearing people" do good works. You are apparently unaware of the many secular agencies and foundations that make the world a better place.
I worked for peanuts in social service agencies, Doomar. I ate ice cream cones without the ice cream, because I couldn't afford ice cream, while I worked among the most vulnerable and needy people. I've done volunteer work my whole life. My current volunteer project is as a book penpal to inner city 3rd graders.
It's a shame you are only interested in converting others to your way of thinking.
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 12:47:13 [Permalink]
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Renae,
Because we may misunderstand each other doesn't mean we are not already carrying on a conversation. I admit your point that many people with many backgrounds (not necessarily God fearing) work to help people in society. There are secular organizations for sure, but the majority of charity organizations have roots in a belief in God. The ideas of helping one's neighbor originate from the Judeo/Christian ethic. The influence on Americans is astounding. Many just don't realize it. Is it so hard to believe that there is a God moving on the hearts of people to do His bidding, regardless of their professed belief or non-belief? And part of that bidding is to help the fatherless and widows and the poor. The problem you seem to be having with me, is that I don't accept the idea that man is good or does good without the influence of God. I see too much evil springing from religious and non-religious hearts to believe in the inherited goodness of man. Only by divine influence do people do good and right things, whether they acknowledge that influence or not. Couldn't your response have been to acknowledge God's possible influence on you and give God glory instead of being hurt by some lowly person who can't possibly understand what you've been through and why? Our pride and emotion can cause us to miss a good point and strike the faulty person who carries the point. Kill the messenger! I was not proselyting, by the way. I have no hopes of converting anyone to a particular sect. I don't even belong to one. I am still seeking and my own deficiencies, some of which you pointed out, are getting in the way. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 14:44:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
The ideas of helping one's neighbor originate from the Judeo/Christian ethic.
That statement is just so full of bullshit! Whatever you did to convince yourself of this, I can not know, but you have an obligation not to lie to yourself like that.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 15:18:27 [Permalink]
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Doomar wrote:quote:
You say that evolutionists don't deny God, only deny his part in Creation. Huh? If there is a God, do you think he'd be happy with such an attitude, to deny his part in creating everything, to deny the intelligence of design, the beauty and glory of what He has done?
Yeah, "Huh" indeed. You'll have to point out where I specifically said that evolution denies God "his part in Creation," since I only mentioned two small pieces of it. You are very much mistaken if you think that many evolutionists believe that because God did not create the universe in six literal days, He did not create the universe at all. Your ability to twist what I say to suit your agenda is unrivaled here.quote:
You don't seem to grasp what it means to believe in the God of Christianity/Judiaism. This God, unlike other lesser gods that people believe in, actually claims to be creator/planner of the universe. He has done many miraculous signs in past history that you explain away, thus making it possible for you to be an atheist. If you did study more about this God (or maybe just the nature of man), it could shake your belief to the core. The evidence of His existence is far greater than you can even imagine. Your belief blinds you to the possibility and, thus, it is seen by me and millions of others to be foolish, indeed.
Sorry, but the above is laughable. First off, you apparently have no clue as to what people believe other gods have done. Nearly every religion has a story about how the universe was created, or at least Earth. Christians do not have a unique story, especially since their creation story is actually Jewish.
Secondly, the more I study your religion, the less I am apt to partake in it. Its nature does, indeed, become clearer, which makes it easy to see just how ugly your idea of God is.
Thirdly, if you have solid evidence of His existence, please share it. Something solidly demonstrable will indeed change my mind, but it surely won't generate faith. Proof, after all, denies faith.quote:
The fact that there are so many confused people out their in various religions, including Christianity, does not make them the source of deception, as "on fire for Christ" is pointing out in his own way. The motivation for twisting 'evidence' by those in position to do so to maintain their own corrupt beliefs is very strong. Indeed, this motivation can be on both sides, but to not acknowledge this possibility, as a skeptic, is to remain in a simple "partisan battle" instead of probing beneath it all to find the truth.
And now you assume that I haven't acknowledged any possibility of corruption of scientists?
Let's face it, Doomar: the foundation of your arguments here appears to be an unwillingness to have faith in your fellow man, when that fellow man fails to agree with you about your beliefs. Your statements about what evolution tells people are wrong. You statements about atheists are wrong. Your statements about other peoples' gods are wrong. You are forced, however, to cling to these incorrect assumptions in order to prove to yourself that you are righteous.
So, back to corruption: the millions of people involved in research with a bearing upon evolution should disagree with each other. Proving other scientists wrong is a great way to find fame and fortune in the research world. Finding something new, which no one else has seen before, is another good way to do it, and so many scientists are secretive until they're damn sure they're right, thus adding to the competitive nature of funded science.
The (perhaps) thousands of people who are attempting to do scholarly work into Christianity's creation story, on the other hand, should all agree. It's the same Book, after all, and they're looking for the same thing: evidence of the One True God. Given what Jesus teaches, none of these people need worry about their fellows "stealing" credit from them, and research funding is regularly generated through Church services and lectures.
So, millions of people who should disagree about evolution instead agree that it is fact. And thousands of people who should agree about Creation instead disagree about it in various ways (young-Earth vs. old-Earth, for just one example).
Which group, do you think, shows more signs of really having a clue about what they're saying?
In another post, you wrote:quote:
The ideas of helping one's neighbor originate from the Judeo/Christian ethic.
Where is there any evidence to support this notion?quote:
The influence on Americans is astounding. Many just don't realize it. Is it so hard to believe that there is a God moving on the hearts of people to do His bidding, regardless of their professed belief or non-belief?
Does God really only care about Americans?quote:
I see too much evil springing from religious and non-religious hearts to believe in the inherited goodness of man. Only by divine influence do people do good and right things, whether they acknowledge that influence or not.
Yes, as identified above, you consider people to be cold and callous unless touched by God. You have no faith in your fellow man, only in God. I, for one, think that's a very cynical attitude to have. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 19:49:51 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Doomar
The will to do something, to act, is an untangible part of the spirit of man, yet atheists and modern pschologists for the most part don't seem to grasp the inconsistency of their belief that eliminates the spirit and soul from consideration, holding to body and mind as the only aspects of humanity.
Granted I have a limited understanding on English, since it is not my native language, but as I understand it:
the will to do something, "the spirit of man" the indomitable will to overcome all obstacles is different from the spirit of "spirit and soul" that is the imaginary and unquantifiable supernatural entity.
There is no reason to try to confuse the two, the former being a figure of speech, and the latter a manifestation of an unfulfilled need to be part of something bigger.
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If you did study more about this God (or maybe just the nature of man), it could shake your belief to the core.
I spent ten years in the Pentecostal church, learning what it meant to be a disciple of Christ. It was an experience that did shake me to the core. It has taken me another ten years thus far to recover from it, and I'm still not ok.
It was a very subtle kind of brainwashing, and as such creates habits hard to break.
Ironically, my salvation from the church was its ignorance and fear of science. My friends in the church distanced themselves from me (or perhaps they never accepted me in the first place, it doesn't matter) because of my interest in science. It gave me the opportunity to examine my faith without constant interference, and I found it seriously lacking.
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The motivation for twisting 'evidence' by those in position to do so to maintain their own corrupt beliefs is very strong.
Indeed. But non-Christians are at a distinct disadvantage here...
Christians can twist 'evidence' and lie and cheat all they want. What matters in the end is that before dying, all they have to do is confess their sins and they will be forgiven all transgressions.
We atheists and agnostics don't have that luxury. We have better do things the right way, or history will remember us as lying, cheating bastards. For us life is not a temporary transition to an existence in eternal bliss.
We have to make damn sure, that what we do, does matter.
What does it matter what Christians do, when all they have to do is say: "Forgive me father, for I have sinned" to be forgiven...
And you are talking about us as being immoral?
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Indeed, this motivation can be on both sides, but to not acknowledge this possibility, as a sceptic, is to remain in a simple "partisan battle" instead of probing beneath it all to find the truth.
I have probed beneath it all for ten years, and at least five of them in denial of logic and science, and yet, my conclusion is that the Christian religion is false. It's not a simple partisan battle, Christianity (American in particular) is waging war on sanity and reason, and having been on both sides I now take a stand for sanity and reason against fairy-tales, superstition and religious bigotry.
(Edit: This was my third attempt to write this answer, the two previous attempts got thrashed when my browser crashed as I clicked "post changes". If you believe in divine intervention, take this as a sign that your God didn't want you to read my first two letters in order to spare your feelings. They were a bit more poisonous than this, third revision.) |
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 22:44:08 [Permalink]
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Dear Dr.,
Thanks for adding the final comment. I got a good laugh from it! Dont' worry about hurting my feelings as you really don't know me that well yet. I appreciate your candor about your own experience in the Pentecostal realm of religion. I've had my own go of it. Perhaps we have many of the same distastes. The constant seeking of "feelings" and affirmations can get pretty annoying. The revving up and "getting on fire" is usually just so much emotionalism. If you've looked into the history of the reformation church at all, you can find some pretty interesting things. There was a completely different sort of Christianity. It did not resemble the modern American church at all. Teaching was different, evangelism was different, and emphasis was different. People suffered for their faith in patience. Seeking money, wealth, and comfort was not part of the real faith. I think I would have quit it all, too, had it not been for a friend who has been helping me see thru the fog. My tendency was to throw out the baby with the bathwater, but there is a "baby" in the midst of it all, still being mocked, spit on, betrayed, and maligned. Love and mercy still exist, too and are evident. Check out my web site (its mine-not my writing, but this friend who is helping me) http://pastorstevebrown.com He points out many of the errors of the modern church. It is scathing to church leaders. He has been thrown out of several churches (and he was the pastor!)lol. It really wasn't funny, as they put him and his family of 9 out on the street.
Anyway, as to your point about science vs. faith: I tend to believe there is no contradition with true science and faith. I don't think it is wrong to discuss any discrepancies,only to finalize your opinion, too soon. When someone shows me "evidence" on some fossil thing, or dating, or rock structure, or biological discovery, I am not moved to conclude that Creationism is wrong, rather, I tend to believe all the facts are not in and there is usually more than one way to interpret data. Incontravertable evidence of evolution is not forthcoming, only evidence of biased interpretation. It is not hard to see fallicies in logic when studying new "evidence". Assumption upon assumption is usually made. On another note, I've had an evolutionist tell me that they don't believe in Darwin's complete theory of evolution, only parts of it...but the main part they disagree with is the same part Creationists disagree with, that evolution from one species to the next (pig to horse, monkey to human)does not happen. Of course, that being the main bone of contention, it seems that Evolutionary theory is defunct of its guts. I just don't get it anymore. No evolutionist I meet is able to define the true meaning of evolutionary theory. Can you help me? Are there various theories afloat now, in contention with each other? Are evolutionists really denying the long held belief that we all come from amoebas? What's going on among you folks? I appreciate any help you can give me about the modern theory. That goes for all you evolution believing folks.
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