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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 11/24/2003 : 22:40:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
non-biast = non-biased
That much got decoded by the fuzzy logic. The grammar still don't make sense.
Thanks for explaining anyway.
I've got a good education through school, and have read many books in English. Thus, my primary contact has been with written language and through TV series where the language has been rather "strict", like Star Trek, CSI, and other quality stuff.
Not vulgar stuff like "Fresh Prince" or "Home-boys in outer space".
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 20:02:22 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse wrote:quote:
That much got decoded by the fuzzy logic. The grammar still don't make sense.
Thanks for explaining anyway.
Can I try? The way that I parse this:quote:
Hmmmm...... How many non-biast history of evolution???? Let's see I can count them on less than one hand.
after reading through the sarcasm (and in context of what it was a response to) is this: "There are no non-biased histories of evolution, either. Therefore, that you can't find any contemporary non-Christian references to Jesus shouldn't matter."
The main problem with this, that I already pointed out, is that this isn't a matter of bias. To extend my previous post: while Jesus was allegedly alive, the number of Christians who could possibly have written about him numbered (due to low literacy rates) probably less than two dozen. The logical place to look for written records of Jesus' life during Jesus' life is therefore among other people's writings - primarily the Romans and the Jews, decidedly non-Christian sources. There's no other choice, really.
Other problems with the response include:
1) Jesus and evolution are not mutually exclusive, so the bias of evolution is irrelevant to the accurate history of Jesus, and
2) the reply basically says, "hey, you can be biased, so why can't we?" Such arguments are poor, unless people do go jumping off bridges just because others have.
Of course, creation88 could have meant something completely different, and my attempt at parsing his grammar was all wrong, also. But that's for him to judge, when he gets around to it.
Hijack: Dr. Mabuse also wrote:quote:
Thus, my primary contact has been with written language and through TV series where the language has been rather "strict", like Star Trek, CSI, and other quality stuff.
Have you seen a movie called Better Off Dead? You've reminded me of the two Asian brothers in the film, one of whom speaks no English, while the other learned English by watching "The Wide World of Sports," and so sounds like Howard Cosell during a broadcast. |
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moakley
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 21:55:22 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
Hmmmm...... How many non-biast history of evolution???? Let's see I can count them on less than one hand.
Just present your evidence supporting a creation model and we will discuss it. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2003 : 23:06:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by moakley
quote:
Originally posted by creation88
Hmmmm...... How many non-biast history of evolution???? Let's see I can count them on less than one hand.
Just present your evidence supporting a creation model and we will discuss it.
OH YES! PLEASE!
And... Dave: Thanks! |
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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2003 : 11:03:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Of course, creation88 could have meant something completely different, and my attempt at parsing his grammar was all wrong, also.
That's why proper grammer and punctuation are so important; it's very difficult sometimes to decipher a post that has not been correctly written, and it makes all of us work much harder to determine what, exactly, the poster is trying to say. I don't generally try to correct improper prose, as some do, but I can understand why they do it. The purpose is not to be nit-picky, but to help us all to keep misunderstandings to a minimum; otherwise we can't communicate. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/26/2003 : 11:55:09 [Permalink]
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That'd be "grammar," Walt. 
And yeah, you're right. There have been times when I've thought I knew what someone was talking about, answered that, and then found out (via rude and insulting reply) that what I replied to wasn't what the person meant at all. So they're pissed off, and I've wasted time responding to something that didn't need a response (as well as wasting more time apologizing for the mistake).
Of course, it's important to make allowances for those who are doing their own translating while participating in this forum (or others), just as I would hope people would be patient with me were I to start posting on SwahiliNet or something. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/26/2003 : 15:38:32 [Permalink]
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I'll climb all over poor writing in a New York minute.
Mispelling and typos are not a big deal with me as long as it is still decipherable. What juices my ulcer is run-on sentences, shitty punctuation, and especally paragraphs of great length, covering several subjects, with no capitalization (SNARL -- HISSSsss!!).
The fact of the matter is that I can't read that sort of crap. My eyes ain't what they used to be, and my glasses were issued by the VA, and they ain't what they could be, either. No matter how profound the post might be, if it can not be easily read, it's not worth reading. 
I am too often appaled by some of the posts I read, here and on a couple of other forums, from some younger (high school/early college) participents. I sincerely hope that they don't write for their instructors the way they write on line.
Writing should be treated like any other craft; it is, after all, a product, and it reflects upon it's author's skills. Write like an idiot and you'll be thought of as one, not true?
Hmm. I seem to be aiding and abetting a hijack, here. Ah well.
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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2003 : 17:27:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
That'd be "grammar," Walt.
I stand corrected, Dave. 
I realize that many posters here and elsewhere are using English as a second language, so I always look at their location, if given, when I see misapplied puctuation, etc. But I consider at least the attempt at correct use of language to be simply part and parcel of "netiquette", simply good manners.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...er, what were we discussing, anyway? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2003 : 18:23:54 [Permalink]
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Sorry, Walt. I hope you realize I simply could not restrain myself from pointing out the single typo in a post about proper grammar and punctuation.
The major problem under discussion in this hijack is, of course, the fact that someone whose first language appears to be English, and who allegedly wrote in English, posted something which, to this native-English speaker, is somewhat confusing.
And so it's really not much of a hijack. I'm waiting for creation88 to respond to the replies his post generated, either by explaining just how it is a matter of bias (and how evolution does negate Jesus), or by explaining how we all read his post incorrectly, and he really meant something else entirely.
Or, Darwin Alogos might show back up and rejoin the thread. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2003 : 07:09:31 [Permalink]
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It is not hard to spot someone using English as a second language. The sentence structure gives it away, especally if the writer attempts to use slang.
But, I must admit that Doctor Mabuse had me fooled for a good, long time. I'd still be laboring under a false assumption if he hadn't mentioned that he's writing thus.
It is easy to say, "Well, Doc's a scholar. That's what scholars do."
To which I reply, "Bullshit! You don't have to have a higher education to put your point across accuratly and concisely." Me, I finished the 8th grade, lallygagged around HS for something less than a year, went to work (illeagly) at age 14, then joined the service at age 17, to the vast relief of the community. I am an ignoramous, but I am an ignoramous that can write. I've even been paid fot it.
If I can do it, then anyone who is willing to take their time and concentrate upon their subject, and think about how they want to present it, can certainly do as well or, more likely, better. All they have to do is learn to concentrate. And read a lot; that helps, too.
Education or the lack thereof is no excuse. Being from a non-english-speaking country is, but in my experience, these people still write quite well in spite of their sentence structure stumbles. And over time, that structure always improves, showing that they are working hard to master the language, as Doc has done and done very well indeed.
What was the topic of this massacre again?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2003 : 10:54:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Sorry, Walt. I hope you realize I simply could not restrain myself from pointing out the single typo in a post about proper grammar and punctuation.
That's OK Dave, you still rock!  |
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