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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/24/2004 :  18:00:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
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Originally posted by Jarrid

You know, not to start this up all over again, but it seems that from what I've read, this movie isn't blaming the Jews for anything...I believe for one it makes it clear that Jesus chose to die--he had the option, according to the movie. And also, beyond that, it was the Roman soldiers who actually committed the act...

Jarrid

It will take a while before it starts running on theaters in Sweden, so I guess I'll have to reserve judgement until then. I don't think it's appropriate to judge it until I've seen it.
There was a lot of fuzz about "The last temptation of Christ", but I thought that movie was thought-provoking and full of insight, and really good. And that was while I still attended the Pentecostal Church.

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Kil
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Posted - 02/24/2004 :  21:44:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Kenneth Turans' review of the film for the Los Angeles Times:

http://www.latimes.com/la-et-turan24feb24,1,7537372.story

quote:
Turan:
What are we to make of this front-and-centering of the Jews in Jesus' plight? In dramatic terms, Gibson and co-screenwriter Benedict Fitzgerald probably decided a great hero needed an equally powerful and well-defined antagonist to enhance the story, so why not Caiphas? As Paul Lauer, marketing director for Icon, Gibson's production company, told the New York Times, "You can't get away from the fact that there are some Jews who wanted this guy dead."

Making this choice easier for Gibson is that traditionalism, the schismatic Catholic offshoot to which he belongs, believes in the literal truth of the Gospels.

Its followers believe that apostles were on the scene and simply wrote down everything they saw. This includes Matthew 27:25, the passage where the Jews say, "His blood be on us, and on our children." As Gibson, who filmed that scene but ultimately cut it, told the New Yorker's Peter J. Boyer, "It happened; it was said." Many biblical scholars, however, suggest otherwise Ñ that the Gospels, written at a time when it was politic to make nice to the Romans by minimizing their involvement in Christ's death, were not eyewitness accounts but products of a particular time and place.

The filmmakers feel too much is being made of all this. They quite sincerely believe, as Caviezel told Newsweek, that "we're all culpable in the death of Christ. My sins put him up there. Yours did. That's what this story is about." Plus they point to the small moments in the film where Jews are shown in a favorable light, including a disconcerting use of recognizable lines from the Passover Seder in a scene between Mary (Maia Morgenstern) and Mary Magdalene (Monica Belluci).

But, unfortunately, what is on the screen contradicts what is in the filmmakers' hearts. Those brief moments aside, it would be impossible for any disinterested viewer (if one could be found) to escape the fact that "The Passion" does not just mention in passing but is centered dramatically on the culpability of the Jews. This notion, sometimes called blood libel or blood guilt, has led to untold suffering and death over hundreds and hundreds of years, and should have given someone, even a believer, pause.


I suggest reading the entire review...


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Stargirl
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Posted - 02/25/2004 :  13:12:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Stargirl a Private Message
The WGN flagship station here in Chicago had a piece on the movie the other day. Unfortunately I only caught part of the piece. Anyway they said there was a scene in the film where Christ is beaten and thrown off a bridge. That incident is not in the scriptures! According to the report it was taken from a dream/vision that a teenage girl had during the Middle Ages. So much for sticking strictly to the gospels.
The saddest part is that most fudies and even many people not particularly religious will see this movie believing it's the unadulterated life of Christ. Rather than an imaginative depiction taken from a variety of sources of someone who may or may not have existed.

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Trish
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Posted - 02/26/2004 :  09:35:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2873395/detail.html

Scroll down to the pic. The Jews just need to get over the perceived persecution of them as a group. It won't be used to promote anti-semitism. (I realize this is a double link - but maybe it belongs here more than the other.) Unfortunately, this sign reared it's ugly head yesterday in Colorado. I will admit that the outcry against this hatred was so overwhelming that the 'Loving Way Church' had to change their marquee.

Edited to add: I just realized that the first two lines might not be read with the appropriate and intended sarcastic venom they deserve. Please add in liberal amounts.

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Edited by - Trish on 02/26/2004 09:36:22
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Huluhae
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Posted - 02/29/2004 :  13:02:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Huluhae's Homepage  Send Huluhae a Yahoo! Message Send Huluhae a Private Message
My husband and I are going to see the Passion this weekend. I hope I can find an Atheist shirt on-line that I like before we go. (Oh, I'm so mean! haha.) I've picked out a few shirts so far. Does anyone know of any websites that sell Atheist shirts? I've done a google search, but there is probably something out there I'm missing. So far, this is the one I like best.

http://www.ffrf.org/products/tshirts/friendlyneighborhoodatheist.jpg

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@tomic
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Posted - 02/29/2004 :  13:22:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
You could create a graphic and go to a t-shirt store with it and have it done in minutes. You can also by blank iron ons. You make your image, spit the iron on from your printer and add it to your shirt.

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