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Chippewa
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...I no of nowhere in history where a group of people before Jesus taught these same things, do you?
How about Plato's "Republic?" Ever read the Greek and Roman philosophers on morality? They had some very good and bad ideas (as Jesus also did.) They lived before Jesus. Remember Moses? Read some more and you might discover the applications of aspects of Plato's "Republic" to modern history, which explains how a lack of morality has lead to the self-imposed downfall of some tyrants. That's just the surface of times long before Jesus. It works both ways. Jesus learned from others as all people do, and there were other "holy men" in his time.
After the time of Jesus there are also those who are more analytical about his teachings, and discovered that he had great ideas as well as weak ideas: Look up Bertrand Russell's descriptions of both the goodness and the faults in Christ's teachings, in his book: "Why I Am Not a Christian."  |
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Doomar
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Posted - 03/25/2004 : 01:05:32 [Permalink]
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[quote]Originally posted by Doomar
...I no of nowhere in history where a group of people before Jesus taught these same things, do you?
How about Plato's "Republic?" Ever read the Greek and Roman philosophers on morality? They had some very good and bad ideas
Thanks for bringing these to my attention. Can you quote from any of these writings similar teachings to Jesus?
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Woody D
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Posted - 03/25/2004 : 04:53:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
Can you quote from any of these writings similar teachings to Jesus?
Take a look at the teachings of Our Lord Buddha.
 Buddhism.
500 years before the coming of the christ, whatever Jesus said, Buddha said the same thing much earlier.
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Robb
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Posted - 03/25/2004 : 11:08:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Woody D
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Originally posted by Doomar
Can you quote from any of these writings similar teachings to Jesus?
Take a look at the teachings of Our Lord Buddha.
Buddhism.
500 years before the coming of the christ, whatever Jesus said, Buddha said the same thing much earlier.
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There are plenty of websites and books that claim that there are and are not differences between the teachings of Jesus and Buddha. These can be argued forever. Clearly, the major difference between their teachings is that Buddha taught you need to work out your salvation to become a God yourself. Jesus taught that anyone can achieve salvation through God's grace. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 03/25/2004 : 11:11:35 [Permalink]
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Woody D
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Thailand
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Posted - 03/25/2004 : 13:44:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
There are plenty of websites and books that claim that there are and are not differences between the teachings of Jesus and Buddha. These can be argued forever. Clearly, the major difference between their teachings is that Buddha taught you need to work out your salvation to become a God yourself. Jesus taught that anyone can achieve salvation through God's grace.
I do not know about any of those site talking about Jesus and the Buddha. I don't see that there's anything to argue about. There is either a difference or not. It should be clear.  However that wasn't the question asked. If I recall, the person wanted to know if someone talked about the same teachings before the time of Jesus. I was saying yes, 500 years before. From what I've read about what Jesus says, it sounds to me the same as the Buddha.
I have no idea what you are talking about when you say, Buddha taught about becoming a God youself. There are no gods in Buddhism AND in fact it is an atheistic 'religion'. You don't become a god when you are a Buddhist. What the hell are you talking about?
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Woody D
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Posted - 03/25/2004 : 13:47:30 [Permalink]
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Is Buddha a fictional character?
 Gorgo Shut up!!!
You are so cute.
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Woody D
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Posted - 03/27/2004 : 14:47:11 [Permalink]
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Woody wrote:quote:
I do not know about any of those site talking about Jesus and the Buddha.
How about Jesus and Krishna?
Everything on that page was mystical and spirtial and I'm happy to say that has nothing to do with Buddhism.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/27/2004 : 23:21:52 [Permalink]
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Woody wrote:quote:
Everything on that page was mystical and spirtial and I'm happy to say that has nothing to do with Buddhism.
No similarities to the life of the Buddha.
Except for the fact that quite a few of the "important" points in Jesus' story were told within the story of Krishna many years before Jesus was allegedly born, which is the same point you're trying to make about Buddha. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 03/28/2004 : 08:22:54 [Permalink]
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Well, I'm also cute when I'm asking a serious question. I was asking who this Buddha is, and whether or not anyone knew this person actually existed.
I think skeptics in the West generally focus on Jesus of Nazareth, and leave other ideas alone.
Just a question.
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Is Buddha a fictional character?
Gorgo Shut up!!!
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Gorgo
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Posted - 03/28/2004 : 17:19:42 [Permalink]
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Okay. Don't know if this is correct, but Buddha is a title, not a person. Guess we don't have much info on Siddhartha himself or even some of the Buddhas that followed.
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Woody D
Skeptic Friend
Thailand
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Posted - 03/28/2004 : 21:15:04 [Permalink]
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Okay. Don't know if this is correct, but Buddha is a title, not a person. Guess we don't have much info on Siddhartha himself or even some of the Buddhas that followed.
http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/eastern/bldef_buddha.htm
Oh, gee. You weren't kidding were you Gorgo?
Ok, yes, anyone can potentally be a buddha. It's accepted though that when talking about the religion/philosophy one means the main guy, Siddhartha. Just as christ is also a title but most people think that Jesus is Christ (that the names are synonomous), whereas it only means savior, which like Buddha, anyone potentialy can be.
I too don't know much about the other Buddhas but the accounts of what The Lord Buddha did are, from what I understand, well known. If you mean historical documented, I never resheared that, I assumed what I was told....on faith!
I mean, I've never read about the life of Nietzsche either but I believe he was a real person and like to read what he said.
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