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Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by verlch
Sun worship originated in Babylon. The eight paths chariot wheel, that carried humans to where the Sun god Saturn was.
Babylon is not the only place worshipping the Sun. Do a Google-search using "sun worship native Americans" and you'll find lots of hits stating that Native Americans worshipped the Sun. Unless you can provide evidence that Sun-worship somehow migrated to America from Babylon, I will believe that they invented Sun-worship by themselves, for themselves. |
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verlch
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 15:24:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
filthy, why'd you wait so long? verlch brought up Piltdown in his first post in the thread:quote:
How many people believed in evolution because of the human skull with the monkey jawbone?
(Of course, it was an orangutan jawbone, but let's not split hairs that finely.)
I've asked for evidence that even a single person was convinced of evolution due to the Piltdown hoax at least three times now. verlch refuses to supply any.
Well documented wise I have none. But I met an old man, angry old man, I did some construction work for and that is all he could talk about was evolution. He was born in 1920 and I am sure he was largely influenced by the hoax. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 15:50:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Well documented wise I have none. But I met an old man, angry old man, I did some construction work for and that is all he could talk about was evolution. He was born in 1920 and I am sure he was largely influenced by the hoax.
I'm very sorry to hear that the old man was taken in by a hoax, especially in a field as important as this.
However, as stated before: It was scientists (who acknowledge evolution) that uncovered and exposed the hoax.
This is what gives science it's strength: If someone is lying, eventually some other scientist will expose it.
On the other hand, there are examples here in Sweden where a congregation of highly spiritual Pentecostals were mislead by their minister. The members of that congregation did not expose the minister as a fraud. He did that himself when he sent a nanny to kill his own wife and his friend in order to take his friends widow as a new wife.
Everything in the name of Jesus.
The minister's friend actually survived the attempted murder, and now harbours angry feelings toward the minister.
What is the moral of this story I just told?
I can't blame Christianity for the actions if the Bad Apple Minister.
Just like You can't blame the Theory of Evolution for the Bad Apple (pseudo-)Scientist who created the Piltdown Man Hoax.
An exposed hoax does not invalidate any other evidence that supports the Theory of Biological Evolution.
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The Old Man was born in 1920... Is he still living? Science progresses and knowledge increases as new evidence is found. When did he last read up on evolution? He was in his thirties when DNA was discovered. What other major breakthroughs has been made since then that he decided to disbelieve in, just because someone pulled a fast-one on him? (by the way, not only him, but the whole scientific community. Even though it only lasted for a short while) |
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verlch
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 20:15:53 [Permalink]
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II Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I never got to work for him again because I basically got laughed out of his house, by him and his wife. Just because somebody wipes out a city in the name of 'Jesus' doesn't mean they are of Jesus. Just because somebody dies of a disease in your family its not Gods fault she might die. Eve was told to not eat the apple and she did, sin and disease are why we die, Eve had a choice and so do we in our very short mortal lives. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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This is what gives science it's strength: If someone is lying, eventually some other scientist will expose it.
On the other hand, there are examples here in Sweden where a congregation of highly spiritual Pentecostals were mislead by their minister. The members of that congregation did not expose the minister as a fraud. He did that himself when he sent a nanny to kill his own wife and his friend in order to take his friends widow as a new wife.
Everything in the name of Jesus.
The minister's friend actually survived the attempted murder, and now harbours angry feelings toward the minister.
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1 John 4:1 - 4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
I ask you did Jesus Christ come in the flesh?
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 20:29:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Sun worship originated in Babylon. The eight paths chariot wheel, that carried humans to where the Sun god Saturn was.
Babylon is not the only place worshipping the Sun. Do a Google-search using "sun worship native Americans" and you'll find lots of hits stating that Native Americans worshipped the Sun. Unless you can provide evidence that Sun-worship somehow migrated to America from Babylon, I will believe that they invented Sun-worship by themselves, for themselves.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
http://www.mideastnewswire.com/archive/me_islam1.html
They liked the moon-god also. But I still think all of the Obelisks are honoring the sun-god. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Kil
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verlch:
1 John 4:1 - 4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
So here it is in a nutshell. Verlch is saying by this that if he were to accept that evolution happens, he would be aligning himself with the spirit of the antichrist. As far as he is concerned, all of us here who know that evolution happens have done just that. He cannot, by penalty of eternal damnation, even consider the evidence that supports evolution as anything but a lie. It must be wrong because it must be wrong is all the reason he needs. Educating him in matters of science is of no real interest to him. Evolutionary biologists are "false prophets." Of course, we have all seen this before. Verlch is here to witness and witness only. He is knee deep in creationist baloney which he must believe. He thinks that their pseudo science will stump us into believing as he does. What he is probably incapable of getting is that science is not bound by the same kind of dogma that his religion is. Because of that, he sees evolution as a false religion. He does not understand the scientific method and worse yet, does not care to.
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Why not question something for a change?
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 22:59:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
Hi, verlch. I thought that you should know that almost everything observed in the website listed above is 100% pure crap. Let me know if you're interested in learning more. I'd be happy to share.
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 23:04:37 [Permalink]
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Well documented wise I have none. But I met an old man, angry old man, I did some construction work for and that is all he could talk about was evolution. He was born in 1920 and I am sure he was largely influenced by the hoax.
Okay, so all you've got is your own opinions. Nevermind that the theory of evolution had been in the process of investigation and confirmation for decades prior to the Piltdown Man hoax. Your opinions aren't science, yet you accuse others here of not being scientific, and you accuse the theory of evolution itself of not being scientific.
I say again: take the log out of your own eye before attempting to remove the splinter from mine. You are exactly the kind of person Jesus referred to as a "hypocrite."
Kil, of course, is correct. There will be no "getting through" to verlch, especially now that he's started quoting Bible verses as if they were accurate historical records, after I asked him to provide evidence that the Bible offers us "truth." verlch wants to use the Bible to prove the Bible true. How much more of an indication do we need that he's not willing to actually search for the truth? |
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SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/23/2004 : 02:57:22 [Permalink]
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But there are lurkers that have an interest. They are shy people who eat lots of Powdermilk Biscuits, al la Garrison Keilor.  But they must have an interest, else, why lurk?
Y'know, the time of the Piltdown flim-flam was one of the most fascinating in the history of hominid paeloanthropolgy. Fossils, the real deal, were being found everywhere, except England. A large percentage of the researchers were British and there was national pride, or something equally foolish, at stake. Rivalries were (and still are: "Publish or perish!") all but cut-throat and everybody wanted Piltdown to be true. But it was all just a little too pat. Other finds quickly began to show that evolution took an entirely different course than that suggested by Piltdown.
I am all but convinced that the hoax was known almost from toe get-go, but after all of the 'Missing Link' blather prematurely spouted by everyone concerned, it was locked away in the cupboard and everybody concerned hoped that everyone else would just forget it.
Fat chance!   We humans are too inquisitive and the only ones that might forget something like that are the ones who didn't know what the hell was going on in first place, and wouldn't have understood it if they had.
For some reason, I am reminded of Kent Hovind, et al. Lay a little Hovind, on us, v. I like Hovind. He is a bootlace on the floor for the cat to play with and he knows it, which is why you'll never get him into a written debate, even at gunpoint.
One of my favorite, hopeless fantasies is to have him show up here or at Infidels. :drool: :slobber:
But anyhoo, Piltdown was a hugh embarrassment. Thus, I think, it was all but hidden away until the hapless Missing Link shouters were safely dead. By that time, the evidence against it from other finds was so overwhelming that it was defined for what it was before it again saw the light of day.
Nebraska Man, touted as the same sort of hoax as the Piltemeister, was an honest mistake by a knowledgable researcher. A worn, pig molar looks a lot like a human one. This was quickly corrected by, guess who?
Beyond that and a few other, little oopsies speedily and sometimes viciously corrected, all, every damned one!, of the frauds concerning evolution are perpretrated by Creationists. Count 'em, research 'em, then show me one that's not.
Don't these people know that they can go to hell for lying same as they can stealing? They should; they talk enough about it.
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verlch
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Posted - 05/23/2004 : 12:02:28 [Permalink]
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Don't these people know that they can go to hell for lying same as they can stealing? They should; they talk enough about it.
I personally think salvation is a clean cut yes or no answer. Yes I screw up, I will be flattered to get there, because I know I'm not worthy of it. But believing in the creator that made the sun and moon, the creations that sun and moon worshippers worship, is what I will attempt to try and accomplish.
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."
[Albert Einstein,_The World as I See It_]
God didn't force Eve to eat the apple, she ate it on her own Free Will. Now quit complaining of the results of her choice. How much could you love your God if He forced you to follow His will, you would serve Him out of fear!!!! Not love!
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"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
[Albert Einstein, 1954, from "Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press]
He acknowloges an existence in this world that looks designed but denies the maker. Only out of not seeing Him. Lucifer saw God every day and he left, you all will see Him soon enough, as will I...
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"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods."
Hey this isn't monotheism!!!
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"The devil has put a penalty on all things we enjoy in life. Either we suffer in health or we suffer in soul or we get fat."
The only suffering a soul will have is eternal death.
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"The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead."
Yes he knows death all to well.
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"Two things inspire me to awe -- the starry heavens above and the moral universe within ."
Me too, did you know that there are suns that fit inside or equal too earths orbit around the sun...Now that is big my fellow Ants!!!!
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"Watch the stars, and from them learn. To the Master's honor all must turn, each in its track, without a sound, forever tracing Newton's ground."
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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"These measurements, confirmed by the Cosmic Background Explorer satellite in 1989 and 1990, suggest that our galaxy and its neighbors, the so-called Local Group, are moving at 600 kilometers per second (1.34 million miles per hour) in the direction of the constellation Hydra."
That is some serious speed there fellas...
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PatriciaKong.shtml
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/IlanaEpstein.shtml
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18.2 miles a second around the sun!!!!
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So the sun is going at 140 miles a second, the earth is moving at 18.2 miles a second, the milky way is moving at 400 kilometers/sec...how many miles is that, lets just say 325 miles a second....In the 5 minutes I took to write this post we have traveled, 144,960 miles in space, wow the whip lash is hurting my neck...Where are the air bags there fellas, lol...Wear you seat belts gentlemen. I think our galaxies are revolving around God!!!!!
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Fill in the blank, "Who is this ______ that I should be mindful of Him?"
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The orbit of the Sun around the Milky Way is influenced by the galaxy's matter, which does not solely occupy the galactic center. Instead, it is distributed all over space. Some of the galaxy's mass is inside the sun's orbit and some of it is outside. The Sun's orbital period is determined by the galaxy's mass within the orbit of the Sun.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Yes, the universe is infinant and gravity is amazing, and no one yet knows what dark matter is.
Also, I read somewhere that our galaxy is on a collision course toward Andromeda -- someone correct me if I recall that wrong.
All very interesting, but alas, we have strayed far afield from the OP and into cosmology and beginnings of the universe. Again. I seem to recall touching on this somewhere back in the morass of our futil, verbal jungle.
So, I will grudging repeat myself: The ToE says exactly nothing about this. Evolution begins after origins.
I repeat nobody knows exactly how the universe was formed, and might well never know. The Big Bang Hypothosis might be correct.
An All-Powerful Being might have puked it out after a night of pub-crawling.
The Invisable, Pink Unicorn could have sold it in a taco to the All-Powerful Being during His carouse, and APB lost it with his load of ambrosia on His way home.
And so forth. The universe is infinant, therefore, there are infinant possibilities, are there not?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/23/2004 : 17:40:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
So here it is in a nutshell...
...What he is probably incapable of getting is that science is not bound by the same kind of dogma that his religion is. Because of that, he sees evolution as a false religion. He does not understand the scientific method and worse yet, does not care to.
Far be it for me to spoil the fun, but Verlch is a closed circuit.
Indeed, you are right.
Verlch has ignored every piece of science we have been trying to show him, but keep ranting nonsense. In many ways he's more immature than people like Creation88, Mahaad_mana (from the Gay-bashing and anti-abortion-threads in the Social Issues forum), and On_Fire_For_Christ. They wrote coherent sentences most of the time, and even if their posts was not as logically founded as one would have wished, it was fairly easy to understand what they meant, and the purpose of their writing. They actually seemed to be learning from their mistakes, and Hippy4Christ was a fresh breeze by comparison.
My personal opinion is that a few crashed marriges should give Verlch a hint that there is something he ain't doing right. His rantings here make me suspect that it can't be easy being a woman living with him, so I cannot blame his better half for embracing divorce.
If I'm bored enough, I'll poke him some, but I leave the bulk of the debating to the rest of you... |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/23/2004 : 17:45:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I never got to work for him again because I basically got laughed out of his house, by him and his wife.
I can easily see how that could have happened. If you talk as incoherent as you write, I wouldn't hire you in the first place. No matter what references you had. |
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