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Renae
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 Posted - 04/09/2004 : 05:31:34
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In the "I am the only one who feels this way" department:
Anyone have thoughts on Condoleeza Rice's 9/11 testimony? While I'm impressed with her intelligence and strength, I don't believe her. The idea that 9/11 couldn't be prevented is typical Bush administration BS. 9/11 happened on Condi's watch. Yet she was determinedly unaccountable for it.
The Bush administration has lied to the American people over and over and I see no evidence that Condi's testimony should be interpreted as gospel truth, simply because she presented herself so well. More style over substance, as per usual...and the American people lap it up, as per usual.
Ugh.
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filthy
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Posted - 04/09/2004 : 08:37:43 [Permalink]
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I don't pretend to be the most politically astute member of this board, but it looks to me like she has opened herself up to a charge of perjry -- which most likely won't happen.
I wonder; is Bush planning on using her as a sort of human sacrifice?
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NubiWan
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Posted - 04/09/2004 : 12:14:54 [Permalink]
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She performed as expected, she's not a dim blub after all. However, she as well as the whole of Bush's administration, kept drawing to the fact, that they had only been in charge for seven months or so... It seemed a bit on the weak side to me. How long would it have taken to re-enforce the airline's cockpit doors? Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on their part, to 'run against Clinton,' one more time... And as to be expected, no one in the current administration is in any way,responsible for the 9-11 events, by her read, except for that damned turncoat Clark. Why they didn't even "swat at flies," and that pans out to their doing nada, zip, the big goose egg, for the Cole incident, and prior to 9-11.
Dunno, but suspect, that when the Bush team moved into the WH after the Supremes steped in and elected him, they were so busy undoing any and everything possible, that had Clinton's handprints on it, they probably dismissed Clinton's Administration's warnings on terrorism, as an over reaction. Afterall, Bush/Chenny are the real american warriors for peace and freedom, as is well known, major league, big time! Just ask them.  |
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Woody D
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Thailand
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Posted - 04/09/2004 : 14:13:48 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Renae
In the "I am the only one who feels this way" department:
She ugly and not very intelligent. But that aside, while she may not out right be telling lies, IMO she's twisting facts and trying to squirm out of direct answers.
Like Filthy, I can't say either but wouldn't anyone under Bush (or any boss) follow what their commander says. They'd want to keep their job wouldn't they? |
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Ricky
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@tomic
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Posted - 04/09/2004 : 15:10:31 [Permalink]
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I have doubts the administration could have stopped 9/11 but I do feel that the airline industry shoulders a lot of the blame since it was their opposition that stopped more stringent security measures. Yes it would be more expensive to fly but look how expensive 9/11 was. I would rather pay a lot more and know I am going to get there than pay less and feel like I am rolling the dice every time I get on a plane. Good security and maintenance and all that is the job of the airlines and they should be held accountable when they fail.
It's likely the Bush administration could have done more but actually stopping the terrorists is anyone's guess. I am more concerned about the administrations actions after 9/11 and their preoccupation with Iraq and how this has most certainly been a setback in trying to thwart terrorists and their acts. This is where the real incompetence can be found. Giving people even more reasons to hate us and want to kill us for no good reason other than the twisted ideology of a few old men that should have been locked up years ago for other crimes is what pisses me off. They may not have known what was coming before 9/11 but after that they used the tragedy to further their personal agendas. It's not your average crime. But amazingly people in America are spooning up this shit and calling it ice cream.
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Ricky
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/09/2004 : 15:32:23 [Permalink]
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Ricky wrote:quote:
Its true, part of the blame should go to the airlines, but I think that part should also go to passanger stupidity. You have 2-3 terroists with box cutter knives in a plane of hundreds of people. People on the plane should have acted. I know its like I'm blaming the rape victim for being raped, but if your being raped, you should at least try to fight back. No one did.
Nah, there were three planes with five terrorists, and one with four, versus sixty-something to eighty-something passengers in each plane (Tuesday is a light-traffic day). In most hijacking situations, if the passengers do nothing, they walk away alive; if they try to fight, they die. 9/11 was a very different day, but how many of the passengers knew that? It's impossible to say, although it's suggested that the people on the flight which crashed in Pennsylvania knew.
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tomk80
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Posted - 04/09/2004 : 19:06:04 [Permalink]
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I don't know. How many airplane-hijackers have actually gotten away with their actions? Trying to stop them might actually make things worse.
One of the things I read about the Pennsylvania flight is that the passengers were aware of the intentions of the hijackers and knew they were going to die anyway if they did nothing. People seem to get remarkebly rational if they don't see a way out. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 04/10/2004 : 12:57:24 [Permalink]
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For anyone interested. I found a complete transcript of the testimony at www.denverpost.com
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Renae
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Posted - 04/11/2004 : 06:18:50 [Permalink]
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I luv you guys!
Rice et all want us to believe that 9/11 couldn't be prevented by the Bush administration, but that the Clinton administration should be held accountable for their failures in preventing the rise of Al Quaeda. That makes no sense. Logically, every president since and including Ronald Reagan (who helped put Saddam in power) holds some responsibility for terrorism and the troubles in the Middle East.
I'm as partisan as anyone, but THIS issue is so crucial to the safety and security of everyday Americans that I wish political games were removed from this commission and, in fact, from the terrorism issue itself.
My intuition tells me that somebody, somewhere either knew 9/11 was a distinct possibility--or they SHOUD HAVE known. Richard Clarke is the only one taking accountability and apologizing to America for not protecting us. For that, he has my respect--and that's why I believe him, not Condi Rice. |
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Robb
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 08:26:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by NubiWan
And as to be expected, no one in the current administration is in any way,responsible for the 9-11 events
Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Richard Clark, C. Rice, Gore are not to blame. The TERRORISTS murdered over 3000 people on 9/11. It is their fault. Is it your fault if your car is burglarized because you parked it in a bad part of town? Is it a woman's fault if she is wearing provocative clothing and is raped? Lets stop helping the terrorist by dividing the country on this issue and get out of Iraq as soon as possible.
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Dunno, but suspect, that when the Bush team moved into the WH after the Supremes steped in and elected him,
This is so old, please get over it. Never did Al Gore have more electoral votes than President Bush. |
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Robb
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 08:28:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Renae
My intuition tells me that somebody, somewhere either knew 9/11 was a distinct possibility--or they SHOUD HAVE known.
I guess we should convict Bush and C. Rice based on “intuition”. |
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Woody D
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 09:20:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Robb
Is it your fault if your car is burglarized because you parked it in a bad part of town? Is it a woman's fault if she is wearing provocative clothing and is raped?
What? Are you trying to say it's not their fault. There's such a thing a not provoking a situation. If you know the consequence of your actions are going to cause something to happen you try to avoid it or take precautions. Don't you?
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Robb
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 10:36:53 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Woody D
What? Are you trying to say it's not their fault. There's such a thing a not provoking a situation.
How did the Bush administration provoke the attacks on 9/11? |
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