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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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 Posted - 04/30/2004 : 06:02:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Woody D
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Well, one point of blame has to be our hapless media. They ruined things for Gore and their attitude has changed little since then.
Hum! Why is everyone blaming the media? The left and the right media! I suppose because they are not hearing what they want to hear.
Shouldn't much of the blame go to the PEOPLE. The good citizens who should, instead of reading what each paper or TV station says and slants according to the other side, propaganda, they should be listening to speeches or reading transscrips, geting information on their own independant of sources who are accused of being biased.
Good point. It is too bad that no one bothers to do more than find the news source they like (be it FoxNews or something else) and accept that as gospel. How many people still think that most of the 11 Sept. terrorists were Iraqi? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2004 : 06:43:41 [Permalink]
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| The media is not just CNN and New York Times. The media is schools, churches, word of mouth. People are conditioned not to think and search things out. When they do, they tend to sometimes (don't know what percentage) go too far and believe anything except what's reasonable. |
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Woody D
Skeptic Friend
Thailand
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Posted - 04/30/2004 : 21:31:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
The media is not just CNN and New York Times. The media is schools, churches, word of mouth. People are conditioned not to think and search things out. When they do, they tend to sometimes (don't know what percentage) go too far and believe anything except what's reasonable.
That's true Gorgo, I was thinking that too, that people listen to what their friends say as if it's 'truth'.
Here is Los Angeles when I don't understand a measure that's on the ballot I call the league of women voters who explain both sides...I'm pretty sure (because they are supposed to) unbiased. We now have voting material that comes with the ballot that is suppoed to say what happenes when/if either side wins. You would think people could understand that but they listen to the lies from the various groups who support or not the propositions.
As for people running, IMO people in office don't change my life all that much but I would call the headquaters of the candidate and ask how they stand on issuse that are a concern to me. I would also listen to the way and how the person slants the answer, if they think my voice sounds like a man or woman, young or old, etc., and judge if they were saying what they thought they wanted me to hear. But at least I'd feel I was getting the answer directly from the campaigne not a slick ad or newscast that I didn't know where the info was coming from.
Speaking of which, tonight on the news I saw Chaney speaking at some school and then they said in fairness the school had Kerry(spelling) give a speech the next week. Too bad the VP isn't the real president, he is very good at explaining things. I liked what he said about why the USA is 'at war'. Keery on the other hand was so much like Bush. I believe I've heard they went to the same college. Must be an awful school because they both don't have very good public speaking skills and come off as idiots. Between the two I don't care who wins. Just lower taxes and keep alians out of the country. Let everyone who wants an abortion have it, no questions asked. Promote gay marrage, stop the death penalty and lower the minimun wage (and get rid of unions). I'm happy. Oh yes, almost forgot...god out of the pledge and out of schools and public places, of course.
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2004 : 03:25:51 [Permalink]
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Only sure thing about Dubya is that he will say something untrue, he will say something bizarre, and he will say something very, very stupid.
And, he still could win the election! |
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Huluhae
New Member
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Posted - 05/28/2004 : 10:24:45 [Permalink]
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I never did in the first place. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/28/2004 : 14:22:26 [Permalink]
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People are conditioned not to think and search things out. When they do, they tend to sometimes (don't know what percentage) go too far and believe anything except what's reasonable.
I call that fundamentalist thinking. It points out the lack of critical thinking ability demonstrated by so many people. Sadly, it's not a thinking style that can be attibuted only to religious fundamentalists. The fanatics of both sides use it.
Anyway.... on Thursday there was a story on MSNBC about a poll that claimed Kerry would winn the electorate by 100 votes (a huge landslide) if the election were held today. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/28/2004 : 14:58:51 [Permalink]
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I'd like to see Bush get righteously Mondaled, myself.
A the moment, it's Kerry's to lose. Further, Bush is trapped in the effects of his own actions and has no where to go except straight ahead. Of course, this can change and even as we speak we're hearing unsupported rhetoric about terror attacks.
Just have to wait and see. And vote, if given the opportunity. I've also been hearing, mostly blather, about Red Alerts, martial law, and canceled elections.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2004 : 00:14:49 [Permalink]
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I've also been hearing, mostly blather, about Red Alerts, martial law, and canceled elections.
It will take more than terrorist attacks to cancel elections in this country. The very idea of anyone trying to cancel a presidential election scares the crap out of me.
I can see terrorists attempting to attack us around the election in an effort to sway the result (as supposedly happened in Spain). I think it would backfire in the US however. A terror attack on US soil anytime before this years election will increase the vote for Bush, I think. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/30/2004 : 06:40:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
I can see terrorists attempting to attack us around the election in an effort to sway the result (as supposedly happened in Spain). I think it would backfire in the US however. A terror attack on US soil anytime before this years election will increase the vote for Bush, I think.
I see a flaw in your reasoning here, Dude. You seem to think that the purpose of such an attack would be to remove Bush from office.
If I was an Islamic Fundamentalist, I would want Bush to stay in office. The longer he stays there, the more he would alienate the rest of the world. And he would continue to be the strong figurehead of an Evil Empire that must be destroyed. As long as G.W. Bush is president he will serve as the glue that keep different fundamentalist groups together by providing a common (Christian fundamentalist) enemy, instead of fighting among themselves over conflicting interpretations.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2004 : 08:20:24 [Permalink]
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Agreein' with Doc, here. Bush has become the poster child for the terrorists.
To get a successful war going, you must first have an individual enemy that the rank and file can truly hate in good conscience. Saddam, Hitler, Tojo, Osama (I think he's probably dead), and others for example. Bush nicely supplies this image to the al Quada et al, as does Sharon, if I've spelled that right. If what I've read is even a little close to accurate, they are getting more recruits than they can train.
And we are bogged down to the axels in Iraq while they run free because Shit-for-Brains wanted to play at being a bad ass and go it alone.
Damned shame. 
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