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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 04/28/2004 : 08:56:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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Originally posted by Renae
C88, my mom is neither a perfect Christian nor a perfect person, and she'd be the first to admit that. I don't think her faith is a central part of her life, and I know she still struggles with a mistrust and contempt for organized religion. She's had a hard time finding a church that isn't filled with petty, backstabbing twits. (sorry, but it's true.)
Her faith, though, hasn't wavered. She believes God loves her and he commands her to love others, especially her family. That was the point of the story, which is 100% true.
Same here with my father. He is still looking for a church were he can be at home, and has a deeply held belief in God and love for God. He also thinks the majority of the christians is wrong, spending a lot of time showing just how religious they are, in stead of following Jesus' example.
Seems like the lesson of Matthew 6:1-7 isn't lost on your father. Good for him. Likewise, Renae's mother also has taken this passage to heart. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 04/28/2004 : 13:03:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by creation88
I'm sure your mother is a wonderful woman. She sounds like a lovely person to be around, but by the sounds of it she is NOT a Christian in any meaningful sense of the word. She is a very humanly moral person, and that's good for her. But most likel not a Godly person.
The only thing that is keeping me from considering you a morally bankrupt person is the fact that Renae didn't explicitly state that her mother has accepted "Salvation through Jesus Christ in her heart". Who the fuck are you to judge another (possibly Christian) sister? You are no longer treading on thin ice, you're relying on surface tension of water here.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 04/28/2004 : 14:03:44 [Permalink]
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Renae, I'm touched by the story you've told.
And I'm glad to know that you've pulled through ok.
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Originally posted by Renae
That's a life lesson that you haven't learnt yet. It's a lesson that transcends the dogma of religion--any religion.
Given that both you and I are twice his age, we could only hope that he will learn eventually. He is, after all, speaking without the wisdom that comes (with age) from experiencing life...
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2004 : 10:01:20 [Permalink]
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Posted by C88:
Who cares what your standards for the God you believe in are?
You're right. Outside of this little discussion, nobody really needs to give a rat's ass what kind of diety I may or may not believe in. Which is why I avoid claiming that those who agree with me will spend eternity in paradise, while those who don't get everlasting torment.
I guess I just can't wrap my mind around the concept of a supernatural being who:
-is powerful enough to create the universe we know, the scope of which is mind boggling and is a never ending source of wonder.
-decides to create life forms on one insignificant little rock in that universe.
-is vain enough to demand worship from said life forms.
-is so petty that he wipes out all the offending life forms except a few chosen ones.
-allows unimaginable suffering by chosen life forms, in various ways such as natural disasters, disease, famine, war, etc.
-sends "son" to earth to be killed, and somehow that opens the gates of heaven for life forms (never have figured out how that is supposed to work).
-will condemn to eternal torture those life forms who fail to recognize his presence and worship accordingly.
There's just something so human in all that that I can only conclude the alleged supernatural being is a construct of man's imagination. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 02:57:08 [Permalink]
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From article:quote:
Because humans are subject to primal urges, they are unable to resist sex. Unwanted pregnancy is a result of design limitations, which must be correctable by the availability of abortion.
The abortion industry is a vital part of the nation's economy. In these uncertain economic times, we cannot put people out of jobs.
The fetus is actually a parasite. As you rid a dog of fleas, you can rid a woman of a blob of tissue.
You cannot condemn abortion if you eat meat. If you protect unborn humans, you must protect live animals, who also are unable to care for themselves.
There is no proof of a God or afterlife, so people must be allowed to maximize every moment here. Unwanted pregnancy interferes with that enjoyment.
I've never heard a pro-choice advocate utter any of this nonsense. These dishonst and completely assinine comments only prove to what lengths the Religious Right will go to promote their agenda. Unfortunately, I'm no longer surprised that comments like this are accepted hook, line and sinker by these weak minds that consider a strawman a valid argument. One needs to look no further than our U.S. Executive Administration.
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As a just-released book, ''I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist'' by Geisler and Turek, contends, this atheistic or agnostic statement may actually require more faith than a traditional Christian statement of faith.
Again, these folks confuse scientific evidence with faith. More likely though, there is no confusion. The truth is probably more closely related to deception.
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Christianity has been challenged for two thousand years, and still stands.
Finally, for the award winning example of the Religious Right's endeavor to mislead - This is one of the most absurd statement I've heard in a long time. Christianity has not been challenged for two thousand years! Christianity has been the tool of oppression and control in western civilization for two-thousand years! Even today, the Religious Right makes this great dramatic show about how it is so persecuted while they're everywhere and into everything in the United States. Christian theology is taken for granted by the vast majority of our population. There is a church on every block, and a Christian bookstore in every strip mall. Yet, they complain.
Then, the self-righteous right throws its voting block in with the paragons of greed and avarice, casting their lot with those that would destroy the Religious Right's own God's creation for a few more sheckels. The self-righteous prostitute themselves to the whims of their corporate masters who would deny these people's children adequate nutrition and health care to boost the bottom line. The self-righteous right happily supports gambling for those affluent enough to play the much over-rated market and the tax money to bail these affluent out when their bets go sour while simultaneously denying the working class a living wage, and the poor, helpless child a guarantee of a bottle of warm milk.
These people have sold their souls to their own devil for the price of the single issue of abortion. And, their corporate masters could care less! Then, they accuse those with a different belief system of having an inferior morality.
These people hear the words of their corpo-religious leaders like Robertson, Falwell, Annenburg, Bauer, Swaggart, Reed, Dobson, Armey and Lott as these guys pi |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/02/2004 : 06:57:28 [Permalink]
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Tim,
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2004 : 08:52:45 [Permalink]
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So would it be correct to say that you are a noncognitivist?
From
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/definition.html
"The existence of God is a standard topic in metaphysics, and there need be no reference within that context to religion or to religious discourse. Thus, the noncognitivist is rejecting the cognitive meaningfulness of various sentences that contain the word "God," whether those sentences occur within religious discourse or not. Consider now the sentence "God exists," where some definition has been previously given for the subject term "God." Relative to that sentence, we may put forward the following definitions:
A noncognitivist is someone who declares that the sentence does not express any proposition at all.
A theist is someone who allows that the sentence expresses a proposition and who classifies the proposition as true or probably true.
An atheist is someone who allows that the sentence expresses a proposition and who classifies the proposition as false or probably false."
As defined above, I would classify myself as an athiest. I understand the "God" concept as promulgated in the bible, I just find it so illogical, unsupported by fact, and nonsensical, that I cannot possibly accept its accuracy.
I would, however, gladly be labelled an antibullshitarianist 
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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thecor
New Member
Italy
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Posted - 05/26/2004 : 09:54:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
Is it possible to agree on a definition? Ok, somebody define, "Christian." When that's settled, if ever, we'll need a working description of what qualifies as "Christianity."
As someone who believes none of it, I will refrain from comment.
Edited to remove sarcastic and uncalled for remark.
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