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Kil
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Posted - 04/25/2004 :  12:59:02  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
This just in:

Scientists find new face on Turin shroud

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I think it must be christ's secret pal Howie.

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filthy
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Posted - 04/25/2004 :  18:42:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I've read about that. Here we go again.

One of the aspects of the Shroud that bothers me is that it shows a man of some 6 feet tall. Someone that tall would have been an anomily in the Holy Lands in that day. As I recall, the arkies tell us that the average hight for the men of these people was somewhere between 5'3'' to about 5'6'' or so.

I don't know about the reverse image (a soak-through at the time of menfacture, perhaps?). I'm sure we'll be hearing all about it before long, both ways.


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My hypothesis is that the Shroud of Turin is the actual burial shroud of a crucifixion victim...just not Jesus. Perhaps a man of European descent crucified in Palestine in the 1st Century A.D.
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Posted - 05/05/2004 :  17:02:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Infamous

My hypothesis is that the Shroud of Turin is the actual burial shroud of a crucifixion victim...just not Jesus. Perhaps a man of European descent crucified in Palestine in the 1st Century A.D.

Seriously ???

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Tim
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Posted - 05/06/2004 :  04:55:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
The shroud has been revealed to be a hoax already, albeit a very old hoax, and adding another face to it doesn't make it any less of a hoax.

I don't think this new claim is going to get the Skeptical Enquirer to write yet another story on this thing, but who knows....

But, I do have a theory...If it is real, the new face has got to Dubya talking to the Father about invading other nations.

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Posted - 05/06/2004 :  06:37:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Infamous

My hypothesis is that the Shroud of Turin is the actual burial shroud of a crucifixion victim...just not Jesus. Perhaps a man of European descent crucified in Palestine in the 1st Century A.D.



The cloth isn't old enough for it to be a 1st century crucifixion.

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Randy
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Posted - 05/06/2004 :  14:11:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
True, Valiant Dancer - the ones to know (scientist) has dated the shroud to somewhere between the early to mid 1300's.
http://www.mcri.org/Shroud.html

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Originally posted by Randy

True, Valiant Dancer - the ones to know (scientist) has dated the shroud to somewhere between the early to mid 1300's.
http://www.mcri.org/Shroud.html



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Ricky
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Posted - 05/06/2004 :  15:19:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Well, I really don't see how this changes anything... I mean, does it mean that the c-14 dating wasn't actually around 13-14 hundreds? Or does it mean that the first writings on it were around 1350? No, it changes none of that.

"I don't know about the reverse image (a soak-through at the time of menfacture, perhaps?)."

I'm pretty sure that its not a soak-through, they claimed that the pigment or whatever used was only 1 layer of the cloth deep (or something like that).

"My hypothesis is that the Shroud of Turin is the actual burial shroud of a crucifixion victim...just not Jesus. Perhaps a man of European descent crucified in Palestine in the 1st Century A.D."

Its only a hypothesis if you can test it...


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Posted - 05/06/2004 :  21:03:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
Its only a hypothesis if you can test it...



The date is definitely testible. See comments above.

Tom

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