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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04/29/2004 : 07:50:58
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I appreciate that the judgement is yet to be made, but;
What do yo want the judgement to be and why?
What do you think the judgement will be and why?
I'd be interested to hear your views on this, actually if time allowed I could probably find each persons view (or likely view) hidden in various threads and topics. But if we had them all in the one place.....
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/29/2004 : 07:56:19 [Permalink]
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Speaking for myself, I would like the pledge to go back to it's origonal version.
However, I will be suprised if it happens that way. After all, the fundies currently rule.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 08:01:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
[After all, the fundies currently rule.
Changing that is more important than changing the pledge.
Attacks on religion strengthens the fundies.
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| Edited by - Starman on 04/29/2004 08:02:32 |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 09:01:40 [Permalink]
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I would like the Supreme Court and everyone in the country to laugh at the fact that we think we need to indoctrinate children by saying a pledge.
I want them to drop the pledge, and eliminate every mention of superstitious nonsense, including the word 'god' from every government officals' mouth, pen or printing press. |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 10:00:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo
I would like the Supreme Court and everyone in the country to laugh at the fact that we think we need to indoctrinate children by saying a pledge.
I want them to drop the pledge, and eliminate every mention of superstitious nonsense, including the word 'god' from every government officals' mouth, pen or printing press.
Yeah, and that's gunna happen |
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WinAce
New Member
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 11:00:54 [Permalink]
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| I *ideally* want the Supreme Court not to be wussies and actually rule how they should. But *pragmatically* I know that'll just result in a constitutional amendment, so I don't care really. The best thing that could happen is if they struck down the pledge in general, even without the superstitious part. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 03:09:18 [Permalink]
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This issue is way too political for the Court.
Three of the Justices think that the 'God Pledge' is Constitutional in a nation founded in Christianity. Plus, they feel that God is neutral, whereas Catholic or Baptist is an "establishment of religion." Anyone care to wager that these will be Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy?
Three or possibly four Justices find the 'God Pledge' a clear violation of the 'Establishment Clause'. These three will be Breyer, Stevens and Ginsburg.
The others are on the fence and do not consider it a major issue. Most citizens believe that references to the Christian god are appropriate, and completely Constitutional, or don't care. Those that do care, by in large care passionately, and those folks sure ain't atheists!
So, the decision falls on Rehnquist, O'Conner, and Souter.
Rehnquist will play it safe, even though he knows the true intent of the Constitution. He'll vote with the 'Religious Three'.
Souter and O'Conner are true wild cards. These two have a mind of their own, and Ms. O'Conner especially can be full of surprises. If I had to play the odds here, I'd bet Souter would follow the pro-Constitution group, and O'Conner will side with the pro-God group.
Final score; Rligious Right - 5 votes
Constitution - 4 votes.
Common sense and tolerance loses by one point!
That is if they don't find a way to weasel out of a real decision, or at least put it off for another session. |
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