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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 04/29/2004 : 12:05:28
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Big, fucking deal!
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Bush Says Talk With Sept. 11 Panel `Wide-Ranging' (Update2)
April 29 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush said he had a ``wide-ranging'' discussion with the bipartisan commission investigating intelligence failures before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and he answered every question asked during the three- hour closed-door session.
``If we had something to hide we wouldn't have met with them in the first place,'' Bush told reporters at the White House after he and Vice President Dick Cheney met with the panel in the Oval Office. ``I wanted them to know how we set strategy, how we run the White House'' and deal with threats, Bush said.
The commission's final report and recommendations are due in July, less than four months before voters choose between Bush and Democratic Senator John Kerry in the Nov. 2 presidential election. Bush has made his leadership of the war on terror a cornerstone of his re-election effort.
The commission called the meeting ``extraordinary'' and said information Bush and Cheney provided ``will be of great assistance.'' The panel's four-sentence statement said the president and vice president had been ``forthcoming and candid.''
Bush refused to say what the commissioners asked or the subjects of the questions.
``I was never advised by my counsel to not answer anything. I answered every question they asked,'' Bush said.
And we are supposed to believe this proven, chronic liar?
I want him and the scumbag Cheney under oath and in public. As far as I'm concerned, the comission has lost whatever credibility it might have had. A pity. I'd had some hope gor it.
Edited 'cause I was so pissed off that I forgot to provide a link. 
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=anLJY7v3Vk6U&refer=us
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Edited by - filthy on 04/29/2004 12:10:20
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 04/29/2004 : 12:34:34 [Permalink]
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My apoplexy has slacked off a bit and here's the reason:
From all Hat, No Cattle  :
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Alpha Politics
http://www.madkane.com/alpha_politics.html
"A" is for John Ashcroft and the liberties he's mauled.
"B" is for Barb Bush and hub. Dub's birth is all their fault.
"C" is for Ms. Condi Rice, who speaks so many lies.
"D" is for the Dixie Chicks, who dare to Bush despise.
"E" is for our soon to be Ex-Prez George Dubya Bush.
"F" is for Al Franken, and his mean and funny Rush.
"G" is for Gen. Boykin, who believes Bush speaks with God.
"H" is for Ms. Karen Hughes, who's tall of tale and bod.
"I" is for the imbeciles who buy the pap Bush spews.
"J" is for John Kerry, who has paid his wartime dues.
"K" is for Ken "Enron" Lay, who's on Dub's ex-pal list.
"L" is for Trent Lott, who lost his job to William Frist.
"M" is for Mitch Daniels, who was never good with dough.
"N" is for Ralph Nader, a huge help to Bush and Rove.
"O" is for Ms. Oprah who can read, unlike our Prez.
"P" is for Dub's Pootie-Poot, who's soulful, Dubya says.
"Q" is for George Dubya quotes, which rarely make much sense.
"R's" for Richard Clarke, who finds Bush stubborn and quite dense.
"S" is for the 9 Supremes who ripped off Albert Gore.
"T" is for Brit Tony Blair, Bush poodle to the core.
"U" is for the USA, which needs a new regime.
"V" is for Veep Cheney, who's one-half a wicked team.
"W's" for Chris Whitman, who betrayed the EPA.
"X," "Y," "Z's" for nothing, but dump Dubya! Make my day!
www.madkane.com is always worth a visit!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2004 : 03:21:07 [Permalink]
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quote:
Posted by FilthyAs far as I'm concerned, the comission has lost whatever credibility it might have had.
"Might" may be the key word here. We seem to forget that this has always been an Executive committee even though the Executive has been quite amenable to letting people think it's a Legislative committee.
Plus, the Executive has the last word. It must be turned over to the administration for redaction, er...I mean editing for national security reasons before it is released to the public.
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"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 05:15:35 [Permalink]
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Heh. "Redaction." Hmm. Yes.
I dunno. I think that if I were called upon to testify before such a body, I'd insist on being under oath. Thus, my testimony would carry at least some credability.
But then, I have nothing but pathetically minor shennagans to talk around, so small worries there.
If the witness' are not under oath and aware of the penalties for misleading the committion, then why bother to question them at all?
Edited to add this link to Whitehouse.org, which pretty much illustrates the point: :skeptical snickering:
http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2004/043004.asp
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
424 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 10:28:03 [Permalink]
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An oath to a non-existant enity, held in such high reguard by notable SFN members..? I'm shocked, I tell you, simply shocked byond words!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 12:06:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by NubiWan
An oath to a non-existant enity, held in such high reguard by notable SFN members..? I'm shocked, I tell you, simply shocked byond words!
It is not the entity or the hand on the book that is important. That's all mere creremony and worth no more than the time it takes up, if that. It's the word given upon the honor of the person taking that oath that means anything. Right?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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tw101356
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2004 : 13:48:50 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by NubiWan
An oath to a non-existant enity, held in such high reguard by notable SFN members..? I'm shocked, I tell you, simply shocked byond words!
It is not the entity or the hand on the book that is important. That's all mere creremony and worth no more than the time it takes up, if that. It's the word given upon the honor of the person taking that oath that means anything. Right?
Right, but even more important, lying under oath is perjury. If might have forced the ventriloquist and his dummy to refuse to answer certain questions or better yet, answer them and get caught in a lie.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2004 : 23:06:52 [Permalink]
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NubiWan wrote:quote:
An oath to a non-existant enity, held in such high reguard by notable SFN members..? I'm shocked, I tell you, simply shocked byond words!
The important thing is that the people expected to take such an oath profess a sincere and unflagging belief in both the entity and the book. While many folks here would view with suspicion such an oath if taken by most of the other members here, Bush and Cheney don't - so far as I know - participate with the SFN in any way.
In other words, they believe in God, and that taking the oath enters them into a contract of sorts with God. Even to the most die-hard of strong atheists, it should mean something when they won't take the oath, as it says that they've got something to hide from the God they say they believe in.
While we may scoff at "so help me God," they do not. It'd be nice if everyone could get over the God "thing," but while people believe, they should be held to the standards they claim to follow. The faithful often do not, which is why it's easy to find hypocrisy amongst them. The President's dodging of the oath in this case is just another example of that hypocrisy. |
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Paladin
Skeptic Friend
USA
100 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 09:32:50 [Permalink]
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From the moment I heard that Bush and Cheney (and, apparently, Clinton as well) were not being required to testify under oath, I accepted that their participation in the inquiry would be a sham. After all, what's the point in requiring someone to testify if they're not held to the legal standards of perjury? We're just supposed to take their word for it?
Furthermore, why exempt Presidents and Vice Presidents, while the others are required to follow the legal tradition? Either exempt ALL those who provide testimony from taking the oath, making the entire proceeding nothing but a "dog and pony show," or demand that ALL take the oath, and get down to the serious business.
NOBODY is above the law - and that includes the President and Vice-President who, last I heard, still f**king work for us.
*end of rant*
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 10:51:55 [Permalink]
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I'd thought Clinton was under oath. Was my information incorrect? If he wasn't, he should have been.
Everybody testifying before something like this should be sworn in regardless of position. Hell, I'd even make the janitor put his hand up and say, "Yessir, I do." Inquiries such as this are too important for the welfare of the country to let anyone at all play piss-ant politics with them.
And now, I'm pissed all over again.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
424 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 11:49:41 [Permalink]
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filthy said:
"It is not the entity or the hand on the book that is important.""It's the word given upon the honor of the person taking that oath that means anything. Right?"
Yes, as well as the law's veiw of perjury. However in these resent examles, the *cough* "honor" of some are well enough known, and even their respect for the law, is certainly known beyond a doubt. Enough so, that I don't think their cover story would be at risk, even with an oath..?
DW "In other words, they believe in God, and that taking the oath enters them into a contract of sorts with God."
One would hope, but in veiw of the 'doublethink,' that they have already displayed, I wonder. More so, one believes God speaks to him of his purpose in the world as well.
No serious difference here with the postings, just a wise ass remark dropped on impluse.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2004 : 12:29:30 [Permalink]
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True 'nuff, I 'spect.
But don't you think that these habitual liars-in-high-places might be far more cautious in their mendacity if their quivering ass' are hanging tenously over the figuritive Stake of Vlad Tepes -- nobody seems scared of the Sword of Damoceles these benighted days.
Swear in everyfreakin'body to start with, then you might not have to swear at the bastards quite so much later.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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