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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 04/30/2004 : 03:55:01
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Yesterday I saw pictures in Swedish news of Americans (fan photo of themselves) torturing Iraqi POW in Baghdad. There were several pictured of very degrading treatment, and one that couldn't be classified as anything but torture.
One of the Swedish reporters stationed in Washington D.C. was asked about the media coverage in the US, and his reply was that to his knowledge, CBS was the only one that really dared to make this headline news. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml
My question to my skeptic friends living in America: Is the reporter right? Has the majority of the American news-agencies been scared(?) or otherwise coerced into not making this big news?
Given the time elapsed, is media coming around, now that CBS cleared the way?
The number of American soldiers that have done this is very small, and does not by any means represent the American troops stationed in Iraq, but it is of critical importance that everything is done by-the-book. For the sake of everyone. America has lost too much credibility already, and cannot afford to loose more.
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Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 04/30/2004 03:57:30
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Starman
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/30/2004 : 04:59:19 [Permalink]
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I was half-watching NBC news last night and they briefly showed a picture of American soldiers atop a naked pyramid of Iraqui soldiers and an Iraqui soldier on top of a box with wires attached to him. The pictures were bizarre and disturbing and were shown with little story, background or information.
I think it was NBC news, anyway.
The mainstream American media are cowed by the Bush administration and have failed the American public miserably by not doing honest, investigative coverage of *anything* the last four years. IMO. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2004 : 08:46:16 [Permalink]
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Ashamed.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 00:44:15 [Permalink]
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So Bush manages to botch his speech for the Arabic channels.
"democracy is not perfect"?
What has democracy to do with misconduct in a military organisation?
Unless he means that the US democratic system failed to elect a responsible Commander in chief.
No apology, no responsibility.
Voice from Cairo:
"Bush rule has made everybody hate America. We hate the American people" |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2004 : 05:16:29 [Permalink]
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Limbaugh on torture of Iraqis: U.S. guards were "having a good time," "blow[ing] some steam off"
Hours before President George W. Bush announced plans to address the Arab world to condemn the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. military personnel at the Abu Ghraib prison, Rush Limbaugh justified the U.S. guards' mistreatment of the Iraqis, stating that they were just "having a good time," and that their actions served as an "emotional release."
As reported by Wonkette.com, Limbaugh's comments can be found on his website. From the May 4 Rush Limbaugh Show, titled "It's Not About Us; This Is War!":
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405050003
I yearn for the day when this cowardly, despicable, sorry sack of shit finally goes down.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 05:25:47 [Permalink]
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Un-frickin'-believable, filthy!
So abuse of others is now "blowing off steam." Okay. For heaven's sake, some of the Iraqui and Afghan (Afghani?) prisoners were murdered. Is murder defined as frat boy fun?
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Cyberat
New Member
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 11:03:08 [Permalink]
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Has the world gone insane or just petroleum hungry ?????????????????
So what if Iraqi prisoners are abused ??????????????
They perform terrorist acts daily, they should thank US they're alive.
We could use less fanatics in the world and less religious crusades.
A little genocide goes a long way to achieve peace.
Israel had tried negotiations and conventional warfare for over 50 years, results ? NOTHING
So why are we trying something doomed to failure ? The mission in Iraq is over, let's call it a victory and bring the troops home safe.
The US Airforce has enough Nukes and Bombs to level these terrorist centers, CIA has the Intel. where they are, including Pakistan.
We did not build the B2 bomber for nothing, let's use it. Cheaper missiles ??? Buy them from Russia, they're pissed at terrorists too, let them loose. Cleanse the land of scum, then move in and take over the oil wells. US however will have to share the spoils with the rest of the world, let's not get too greedy.
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 13:35:39 [Permalink]
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| With the current leadership, the smell of "scum" seems closer to home, each day... :( |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 13:59:14 [Permalink]
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Hi Cyberat and welcome to SFN.
I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, here. Are you saying that we should level the Middle East and take over the oil fields? Commit genocide on the Arab peoples? And this will solve the problem?
If so, I must disagree. Barbaric behavior will only lead to more of the same, as can be readly seen in Israel on both sides of their question. Further, the worst thing that could happen, and is indeed happening now, to a country is to have it feared rather than respected. We kill the things we fear, do we not? We are now feared by some pretty dangerous folks, thank you so fucking much, Mr. Bush. And we are no longer respected at all.
As far as I am concerned, those who indulged in the torture of Iraqi prisoners are no better than the SS guards at the WW II concentration camps and should be prosecuted accordingly.
I firmly believe that the United States should be a role model for fair and honorable dealings with all peoples. Today, with the current parcel of meglomaniacs in control, we are becoming known for quite the opposit.
Again, welcome!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 23:47:00 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Cyberat
A little genocide goes a long way to achieve peace.
So you think al Qaeda should try to kill every American?
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/07/2004 : 06:51:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Starman
quote:
Originally posted by Cyberat
A little genocide goes a long way to achieve peace.
So you think al Qaeda should try to kill every American?
I notice that you live in Sweden, Starman, so that your comment to the Cyberat might seem to be perfectly acceptable "gallows" humor. Unfortunately, we who live here in one of the several States (-- sans only Alaska and, perhaps, Montana and North Dakota --) are exceptionally vulnerable to utter extermination: "Genocide" as you phrased it.
The reason for this extreme vulnerability is our very existence as a consumer-based society. We are so intertwined and entangled (-- transportation, power-generation, food, water, etc.--) that a not-too-sophisticated but truly determined effort could have almost all of us in the "continental U.S." dying/dead of starvation and water-borne diseases within as little as a month.
Interestingly, although this fact is well known, no one in an authorative position seems willing to say it;---much less to detail the actual grimness. (Too much profit at stake would be my guess as to "Why not?".)
Your joke may be funny in Sweden but it's an all too horrific and real possibility here.
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stardog
New Member
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Posted - 05/08/2004 : 08:58:41 [Permalink]
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What I find most abhorent about the torture of the Iraqis is that the soldiers who committed these acts were given less than honorable discharges from the military. Not dishonorable discharges, not prison time. These military thugs are a disgrace. I served proudly in the United States Navy and the UCMJ is drilled into you. It is absolutely against the UCMJ to torture prisoners of war. There is no excuse for this behavior. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2004 : 10:05:45 [Permalink]
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| This is fine to talk about, but the greater crime of attacking the people of Iraq for the past well, thirty years is somehow a lesser crime. I'm not minimizing what these people did, I'm sure that it happens a lot, as it happens in U.S. prisons, but they murdered hundreds in Fallujah, and somehow that's not a crime. They attacked Iraq illegally, and somehow that's not a crime. They imposed illegal sanctions after another illegal war, and that's not a crime. The U.S. administrations have destroyed Iraq's chances for democracy and freedom for decades, and somehow that's not a crime. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 11:27:05 [Permalink]
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Agreein' with Gorgo, here.
I keep dreaming that just this once justice will prevail and the war criminals in expensive suits, who's bloodied hands have never touched a corpse nor who've ever been under the gun, will land in the dock to explain their actions to a panel of highly pissed judges. Just like Nurenburg.
It ain't on, of course. A few careers will be lost, a few scoundrels disgraced, and the whole thing will be forgotton by an American general public who's attention span is even shorter than mine.
Has anyone caught what our version of a latter day Lord Haw-Haw has said the last couple of days? I refuse to listen to Limbaugh and hate to add to his website's hit counter unless directed there by some more or less reliable news site.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 11:46:51 [Permalink]
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Yeah. Rush started his show by saying that whiny liberals asking "why do they hate us" are despicable. All introspection in this matter is wrong. It's wrong to wonder why these evildoers do the things that they do.
However, while no one agrees with prisoner abuse, Rush thinks we should stop and wonder why those people did what they did.
Like a lot of "Patriots," By God-America is above criticism, but all of its enemies are devoid of all good intentions.
I agree that it's not a good idea to ask, "Why do they hate us?" The better question is, has the United States of America acted in a way that can be taken as a good example? The answer to that is no. They have supported and engaged in all kinds of terrorism, have considered themselves above the law, and to talk about those kinds of things are considered "Un-American." |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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