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verlch
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 Posted - 09/25/2004 : 20:39:13 [Permalink]
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Look, as you said, dead is dead, but yet what evidence have you for demons? Is there not a more logical explanation? like her hand guiding yours? I fear that you see that which does not exist. People have been commited to D Ward for less.
Yeah He can act like I'm crazy, but the minute you talk about doors hitting women and your out, even when they are your woman!!!
Don't worry guys you would have a hard time dating women that I have, unless you wanna come to Portland. They love men that protect them!
Anyways, all we did was grip the pen and not direct it. Lightly she said. You hold it up on the top and she asked questions, I still have the paper somewhere, I'll try to find it!!!
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 20:41:33 [Permalink]
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Its part of a huge deceiption, complete with primordial soup, UFO's, crop circles, stupid cave men, monkies and Area 51.
I'm not even going to go into primordial soup, we've been there and done that. But UFO's? Verlch, what do you think UFO stands for? What do you think it means? Simply put, unidentifyied flying objects. Anytime you look up at the sky and see something you can't explain in air, that is a UFO. They exist. Mostly as birds or planes or other natural phenomena.
Stupid cave men are a deceiption? Were they created by the devil too? And all evidence of them was created by the devil to trick me? And all evidence for anything you disagree with is a deceiption made by the devil too, right?
Monkies? What? Why exatcly do you think monkies are a deceiption? Do you think that people dress up in monkie suits and go into the forest to trick us into believing they exist? I'm gonna take a long shot and guess that you are saying monkies being so close to humans is decieption created by the devil. Have you ever considered that god left all this stuff here so we could figure out the past? |
Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Ricky
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 22:04:31 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
It was a statement Tough Guy. To women as a whole, in a realationship with me, not directed at her. Why is everyone so sensitive. Sheeez.
And then wrote:quote:
Yeah He can act like I'm crazy, but the minute you talk about doors hitting women and your out, even when they are your woman!!!
Don't worry guys you would have a hard time dating women that I have, unless you wanna come to Portland. They love men that protect them!
It's not a matter of me "protecting" Renae. I'm well aware that she's more than capable of protecting herself, especially from the likes of you.
The problem is that you're coming into a place where you know you are a guest - not the owner, just a guest - and making "statements" about who should "leave." Had you said it to a guy, my response would have been the same, just as if you'd been in my home and said it to another one of my guests. You simply appear to have no clue as to how to behave amongst other people, much less behave in a "Christian" manner.
You're the one passing yourself off as a "tough guy" here, verlch. You're very much in need a lesson in humility, a lesson taught by your Saviour, of all people. A lesson you have missed.
The warning stands. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 22:07:54 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
People that can't make up their own minds are those that can't pick between the two. So they just pick both, they are the ones riding the fence.
False dichotomy. Many of these people have discovered that evolution doesn't contradict their understanding of God or Salvation. Why should they have to choose one or the other, if they don't see them as mutually exclusive?
In other words, they don't see a fence at all. How could they be "riding" something which exists in your mind, but not in reality? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Ricky
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Renae
SFN Regular
543 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2004 : 06:29:44 [Permalink]
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Verlch, you're so screwed up in your thinking, it would take an incredibly skilled therapist many years to straighten you out (that is, if you actually believe the things that you say here about women.)
But I will say this, because I stand up for the things I believe deeply...
Abuse comes in several forms: sexual, emotional, verbal, and physical. Reducing someone to a stereotype, refusing to acknowledge their individuality and humanity, diminishing them, undermining them, ridiculing them, and controlling them are forms of emotional/verbal abuse.
Do you see that this is how you've treated the women here?
True feminism is never about the diminishment of men; rather, it's about empowering women, verlch. It's possible for women and men to be equally empowered without one or the other being diminished--although I suspect you won't understand that concept. That some women channel anger toward men through versions of feminism is not an endictment of feminism as a whole.
Odd that you position yourself as the manly man here, verlch, yet you're the one who's been abused by your ex-wives.
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 09:35:21 [Permalink]
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Its part of a huge deceiption, complete with primordial soup, UFO's, crop circles, stupid cave men, monkies and Area 51.
You forgot the New Agers, lizard people, estrogen in the water (???) and the freemasons. They're obviously in it, too. The world's out to get us.
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 13:18:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Renae
Verlch, you're so screwed up in your thinking, it would take an incredibly skilled therapist many years to straighten you out (that is, if you actually believe the things that you say here about women.)
But I will say this, because I stand up for the things I believe deeply...
Abuse comes in several forms: sexual, emotional, verbal, and physical. Reducing someone to a stereotype, refusing to acknowledge their individuality and humanity, diminishing them, undermining them, ridiculing them, and controlling them are forms of emotional/verbal abuse.
Do you see that this is how you've treated the women here?
True feminism is never about the diminishment of men; rather, it's about empowering women, verlch. It's possible for women and men to be equally empowered without one or the other being diminished--although I suspect you won't understand that concept. That some women channel anger toward men through versions of feminism is not an endictment of feminism as a whole.
Odd that you position yourself as the manly man here, verlch, yet you're the one who's been abused by your ex-wives.
Irony: it's what's for breakfast.
Yeah well your missing the point, my wives could do what ever they pleased. I haven't been abused, it would have been ugly if I struck back. How come 70% of singel mothers live in poverty? How is a high divorece rate helping the hens in the country? Empowering women makes for irrational decision making. How come I have to pay alimoney to empowered women? And child support? Even when they are remarried, and have some other man paying the bills. So here is the luxury of being married in this country. 85% of women leave the men, we have over 60% split up marriages, why? Well you have independent minded women that are totally dependant. They have the upper hand because at any minute they can leave and take half of everything you own, in this country it is enforced. Thus in my next ones there will be a prenup for everthing, including the toilet paper. If a woman wants kids she will have to pay me if she wants to leave. I will have the upper hand, so the I'm leaving you dramaville can leave the marriage.
So anything anti-women that a man says, means he needs a therapist? Wow, so I need to think like you to be happy. PC thinking is for the birds, I'll think outside the box, while everyone else can stay in the box.
In my marriages I make the big choices and they make the little ones. I always drive the car if we are going somewhere, and move the heavy things and they the light ones.
I liken women to a ship without a rutter or a caption. I need to be the rutter and captian in a marriage to make the ship get to where it needs to go. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Siberia
SFN Addict
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 13:53:53 [Permalink]
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| Then go back to your brood (if you have any; aren't you single?) and get over it. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2004 : 14:12:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
It was a statement Tough Guy. To women as a whole, in a realationship with me, not directed at her. Why is everyone so sensitive. Sheeez.
And then wrote:quote:
Yeah He can act like I'm crazy, but the minute you talk about doors hitting women and your out, even when they are your woman!!!
Don't worry guys you would have a hard time dating women that I have, unless you wanna come to Portland. They love men that protect them!
It's not a matter of me "protecting" Renae. I'm well aware that she's more than capable of protecting herself, especially from the likes of you.
The problem is that you're coming into a place where you know you are a guest - not the owner, just a guest - and making "statements" about who should "leave." Had you said it to a guy, my response would have been the same, just as if you'd been in my home and said it to another one of my guests. You simply appear to have no clue as to how to behave amongst other people, much less behave in a "Christian" manner.
You're the one passing yourself off as a "tough guy" here, verlch. You're very much in need a lesson in humility, a lesson taught by your Saviour, of all people. A lesson you have missed.
The warning stands.
How about this, I don't want anybody to leave and I like you all. We are discussing things and everyone has a thought, It's great!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 19:50:12 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
...I'll think outside the box, while everyone else can stay in the box.
As a wise man once said, "to think outside the box, one first needs to know what's inside the box."
You have demonstrated that you don't know what's inside the box with regard to women and relationships. You don't know what's inside the box with regard to evolution. You don't know what's inside the box with regard to Babylon and the masons. You don't even seem to know what's inside the box with regard to Christianity.
Of course, we've been telling you this since day one, but you're unable to hear it. You've got "faith" that you are correct. That faith has apparently been the undoing of at least one marriage, and is getting you nowhere here (for all the effort you put into these posts). When are you going to realize that blind faith is blind?
I suspect the answer is "never," but then you are doing your own God a disservice by not using the faculties that HE allegedly gave you. You will have completely ignored the parable of the talents, just as you've ignored so many of Jesus' other teachings.
In my opinion (not that it matters to you), you're not being a good Christian at all. You may say something like, "if so, and I'm damned, then sobeit," but that ignores the point of the entire Bible as a guide to getting into Heaven. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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ConsequentAtheist
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 03:49:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
...I'll think outside the box, while everyone else can stay in the box.
As a wise man once said, "to think outside the box, one first needs to know what's inside the box."
Who? |
For the philosophical naturalist, the rejection of supernaturalism is a case of "death by a thousand cuts." -- Barbara Forrest, Ph.D. |
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 05:53:38 [Permalink]
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I forgot one important kind of abuse: spiritual abuse, like what my great-grandmother went though.
I no longer think you're another Bible-waving woman-hating nut job. If you truly believe the archaic nonsense you post, you're a dangerous man. |
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