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verlch
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Posted - 09/25/2004 :  15:04:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

quote:
I'm not going to sit quietly by and watch Evolution obtain any sort of status.


... you'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic. Do you really fail to comprehend that evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology? To deny evolution is to deny the basis for medicine, among other things.




The cornerstone of lies. Satan being the 'Father of Lies' invented evolution, or one of his minions...

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
Edited by - verlch on 09/25/2004 15:05:53
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 09/25/2004 :  17:01:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
So you've just acknowledged Evolution exists.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  17:31:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by Dude

quote:
I'm not going to sit quietly by and watch Evolution obtain any sort of status.


... you'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic. Do you really fail to comprehend that evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology? To deny evolution is to deny the basis for medicine, among other things.




The cornerstone of lies. Satan being the 'Father of Lies' invented evolution, or one of his minions...

Hahaha, considering your history on these boards, that's one of the funniest statement you've made yet.

But, you are serious, therefore I ask: how exactly is the ToE a lie. Please give references that don't contain the conjecture of ICR.

Further, present evidence for the existance of this Satan. Also, how many minions does s/he have and what is their organizational system?

And again I ask: were you there 6,000 years ago and have no need to view the writings of the era with a critical eye?


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 09/25/2004 :  18:10:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
Begon with you and don't let the door slap you as you leave.
Official Moderator Warning: You, verlch, are a guest on this message board. You have no standing upon which to tell other people to leave. Do it again, and you will be gone.

- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  18:16:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by Dude

quote:
I'm not going to sit quietly by and watch Evolution obtain any sort of status.


... you'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic. Do you really fail to comprehend that evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology? To deny evolution is to deny the basis for medicine, among other things.




The cornerstone of lies. Satan being the 'Father of Lies' invented evolution, or one of his minions...

Hahaha, considering your history on these boards, that's one of the funniest statement you've made yet.

But, you are serious, therefore I ask: how exactly is the ToE a lie. Please give references that don't contain the conjecture of ICR.

Further, present evidence for the existance of this Satan. Also, how many minions does s/he have and what is their organizational system?

And again I ask: were you there 6,000 years ago and have no need to view the writings of the era with a critical eye?






Well I've seen people possessed on TV. Several women talking in a mans voice. The Bible talks about Demons and Devils so right there you know they exist. The Bible says they where 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven, thrown out for rebelling against their maker! A girlfriend wanted to show me some mystical things and she and I held a pen and she asked this unseen dead man questions and with our eyes shut he wrote down answers yes and no. I asked him his name, he said some name. She asked him several questions all with written down answers. He said all this stuff, then I asked him if Satan existed and he said yes. Then I'd had enough. Since the dead are dead its obvious that it was a demon answering the questions. My personal take on it. I've heard of Ouji boards answering questions and wierd stuff like that. Things floating around rooms, evidence of demonic influence. Actually spoken with men doing excorsisms not pretty. In fact Jesus kicked out many demons himself. It is stated in the Bible that we battle.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.


These powers will invade every fabric in the human race, to prevert it to their ends. They are the what the word EVIL means.

I guess the point of evolution is to take the human mind away from the laws of God. You don't need to follow the ten commandments if evolution is true. Its part of a huge deceiption, complete with primordial soup, UFO's, crop circles, stupid cave men, monkies and Area 51.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  18:25:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
The cornerstone of lies. Satan being the 'Father of Lies' invented evolution, or one of his minions...


Well, there you have it folks, Darwin was Satan, or one of him minions.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 09/25/2004 20:42:19
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Dave W.
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USA
26022 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  18:31:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
I guess the point of evolution is to take the human mind away from the laws of God.
You guess wrong, but you know that.
quote:
You don't need to follow the ten commandments if evolution is true.
Then why do most "evolutionists" follow at least nine of them? Coincidence? Mere chance?

- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  18:37:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Then why do most "evolutionists" follow at least nine of them? Coincidence? Mere chance?


Well I don't follow 1, 2, or 4:

1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 09/25/2004 :  19:06:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
I said "most," Ricky, not "all." I'm sure we can dig up the statistics again, which show that most people who accept evolution in some form or another are also religious (and a large percentage of them Christian), only to have verlch ignore the numbers again in his delusions of persecution. Or, he'll pull a no-true-Scotsman on us.

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13477 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  19:39:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
I'm starting to think that Verlch might be "Chrisitan Identity". Has he made any anti semetic remarks?

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  19:48:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

I said "most," Ricky, not "all." I'm sure we can dig up the statistics again, which show that most people who accept evolution in some form or another are also religious (and a large percentage of them Christian), only to have verlch ignore the numbers again in his delusions of persecution. Or, he'll pull a no-true-Scotsman on us.



People that can't make up their own minds are those that can't pick between the two. So they just pick both, they are the ones riding the fence.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  20:07:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

I'm starting to think that Verlch might be "Chrisitan Identity". Has he made any anti semetic remarks?




No I haven't!!! The Jews are Gods choosen people!

http://www.israelmybeloved.com/history_prophecy/intro/

Just look at the fact Israel is still around, that in itself is a miracle.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9688 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  20:13:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Do you not have at least one day off from work every week?
That was the point of the sabbath, wasn't it?

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder.
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verlch
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Posted - 09/25/2004 :  20:15:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

verlch wrote:
quote:
Begon with you and don't let the door slap you as you leave.
Official Moderator Warning: You, verlch, are a guest on this message board. You have no standing upon which to tell other people to leave. Do it again, and you will be gone.




It was a statement Tough Guy. To women as a whole, in a realationship with me, not directed at her. Why is everyone so sensitive. Sheeez.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
Edited by - verlch on 09/25/2004 20:18:05
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  20:26:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by filthy

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by Dude

quote:
I'm not going to sit quietly by and watch Evolution obtain any sort of status.


... you'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic. Do you really fail to comprehend that evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology? To deny evolution is to deny the basis for medicine, among other things.




The cornerstone of lies. Satan being the 'Father of Lies' invented evolution, or one of his minions...

Hahaha, considering your history on these boards, that's one of the funniest statement you've made yet.

But, you are serious, therefore I ask: how exactly is the ToE a lie. Please give references that don't contain the conjecture of ICR.

Further, present evidence for the existance of this Satan. Also, how many minions does s/he have and what is their organizational system?

And again I ask: were you there 6,000 years ago and have no need to view the writings of the era with a critical eye?






Well I've seen people possessed on TV. Several women talking in a mans voice. The Bible talks about Demons and Devils so right there you know they exist. The Bible says they where 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven, thrown out for rebelling against their maker! A girlfriend wanted to show me some mystical things and she and I held a pen and she asked this unseen dead man questions and with our eyes shut he wrote down answers yes and no. I asked him his name, he said some name. She asked him several questions all with written down answers. He said all this stuff, then I asked him if Satan existed and he said yes. Then I'd had enough. Since the dead are dead its obvious that it was a demon answering the questions. My personal take on it. I've heard of Ouji boards answering questions and wierd stuff like that. Things floating around rooms, evidence of demonic influence. Actually spoken with men doing excorsisms not pretty. In fact Jesus kicked out many demons himself. It is stated in the Bible that we battle.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.


These powers will invade every fabric in the human race, to prevert it to their ends. They are the what the word EVIL means.

I guess the point of evolution is to take the human mind away from the laws of God. You don't need to follow the ten commandments if evolution is true. Its part of a huge deceiption, complete with primordial soup, UFO's, crop circles, stupid cave men, monkies and Area 51.

Yikes!

Verlch, I become concerned. You are essentally saying that you believe the crap presented on TV without question. And you actually buy the variation of the ouji board routine.

Look, as you said, dead is dead, but yet what evidence have you for demons? Is there not a more logical explanation? like her hand guiding yours? I fear that you see that which does not exist. People have been commited to D Ward for less.

The point of the Theory of Evolution is to explain biological history, no more, no less. Again, you see ghosts in the daylight.

Think, verlch. Think!




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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