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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 09/15/2004 : 08:05:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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There is more things pointing to what the bible says beware of. Radical Evolutionism is just one of these things.
rofl.... you're an idiot. Please show the chapter/verse in the bible that warns people to beware of "radical evolutionism".
And then define evil, not quote some nonsense scripture. Tell me what evil is. No anecdotes, no drivel, no braindead idiocy from some retarded christian website. If "evil" is such a big concern for you, then you should have a clear definition don't you think? A sentence or two, maybe even a paragraph, that lays out a clear concept of what "evil" is.
Evil is in the eye of the beholder. Evil is a state of mind assumed to be in force when an act which is extremely repugnant or heinous occurs as it relates to the observer's moral code/opinion. The person performing such an act normally does not percieve the act in the same light.
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Dude
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 08:47:39 [Permalink]
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Stop helping verlch answer questions :P
But yes, "evil" is entirely subjective. In fact, it's a superfluous word. When something you like happens you call it "good", and when something you don't like happens you call it "bad". Why invent "evil"? Except perhaps to lend a supernatural flavor to the "bad"? |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 10:30:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Stop helping verlch answer questions :P
But yes, "evil" is entirely subjective. In fact, it's a superfluous word. When something you like happens you call it "good", and when something you don't like happens you call it "bad". Why invent "evil"? Except perhaps to lend a supernatural flavor to the "bad"?
I was concerned that if I didn't help him, he'd never answer it except to change the subject.....again. It was also likely that he would just use it as a pulpit to demonize his opponents. 
"Evil" has an additional connotation of "badder than bad" or "malevolently bad" so as to set up a moral judgement of those that disagree. The supernatural thing is just another concept of embodied "evil". e.g. I stub my toe. I find that bad. Hussein gasses defenseless Kurds. I find that evil. It's more of a subjective measure of intensity of bad or motivation of bad.
My own religion subjectively defines evil as destruction for the sake of destruction alone. It does not have an aspect of the devine which is named as 1) it is never going to be involked and 2) by naming something, it is thought to give that something power.
There are some things which a vast majority find "evil". For instance, genocide is considered malevolently bad (evil) in all cases except for the people who do it, usually justifying it as wiping out an inferior/agressive race. |
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verlch
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 22:15:31 [Permalink]
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The religion of Freemasonry and some of it's mysteries have descended from ancient Egypt whose mysteries descended from ancient Babylon.
Plain as day in English, My dear radical evolutionists, how do you miss that???? This is one of the many things that went from Babylon, to Egypt!
This is the Great Seal of the United States of America. It was designed by the Freemasons and contains a mass of symbolism that the profane (non masons) are not to understand. This article will once and for all prove that the Seal is a Masonic design. Have you ever asked the question 'Why is there a Pyramid on our $1 note"? The religion of Freemasonry and some of it's mysteries have descended from ancient Egypt whose mysteries descended from ancient Babylon. The Pyramid has of old been a fascination of Freemasons. It is a pagan temple of Satan worship. Aliester Crowley, Freemason and chief satanist of the 20th Century performed a satanic ritual in the Kings Chamber. The Masonic founded and controlled cults of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons have also adored the Great Pyramid. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 22:16:38 [Permalink]
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http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/seal.htm |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 22:46:02 [Permalink]
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| Well, atleast verlch is good for a laugh every now and then... hehehe. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 00:41:29 [Permalink]
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Oh dearie me; them Masons are some pretty mean, nasty, ugly people, huh? I wonder who they are. We must ferret them out at once!
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Gatchell, T. James (Jim) - With no formal post high school education, he became a pharmacist, historian and collector. As a volunteer fireman, he was injured twice and he acted as a physician during the 1918 flu epidemic and was involved in early skin graft. He was a musician and was fluent in Lakota and Plains Indian sign language. He collected historical objects from white pioneers and Indians from the Buffalo, Wyoming area. He died in 1954 and his collection is now the basis for a 2002 AAM accredited facility collection.
Gates, John - Known as "Bet-a-million" Gates, he was the founder of Texaco Oil Company and popularized barbed wire.
Gatling, Richard J. - Inventor of the famous "Gatling Gun".
George VI - King of England during World War II.
Gerry, Elbridge - American politician. Signer of the Declaration of Independence and a delegate to the Continental Congress, he served as Governor of Massachusetts (1810-1811) and Vice President of the United States until his death (1813-1814).
Gibbon, Edward - Writer, perhaps best known for the classic 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'.
Gilbert, Sir William S. - British playwright and lyricist known for a series of comic operas including "H.M.S. Pinafore" and "The Pirates of Penzance" written with composer Sir Arthur Sullivan.
Gillette, King C. - American inventor and manufacturer who developed the safety razor and founded the Gillette Safety Razor Co.
Gilman, Benjamin A. - One of the highest ranking members in seniority, a U.S. congressman from the 20th New York District who in 1978 was successful as a champion of human rights.
Girard, Stephen - Born in France, he was an enormously successful merchant, mariner and banker. He largely financed the U.S. government during the War of 1812.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous1.htm
Edited to add that all the signs, handshakes, and so forth are just the mystic bullshit common to religions (crufixes, icons, etc.) and many other, human endevors. The only religious, if it can be called that, stipulation for a Mason is that he must believe in a 'higher power'. Which is why I am not a Mason, as were both of my grandfathers. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 05:47:47 [Permalink]
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| Good grief, verlch's signature just keeps getting more and more misunderstandings and falsehoods added to it, don't it? |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 05:48:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
The religion of Freemasonry and some of it's mysteries have descended from ancient Egypt whose mysteries descended from ancient Babylon.
Plain as day in English, My dear radical evolutionists, how do you miss that???? This is one of the many things that went from Babylon, to Egypt!
Velrch, just because you repeat a lie enough times doesn't mean it's true. (This goes for out half-wit President, too.) The "mysteries" of ancient Egypt did not "descend" from Babylon. Sun worship did not begin in Babylon. It is a testament to your utter stupidity that, after 97 posts to this thread, you're still reciting the same lies.
At least you fit the Christian mold well enough: only believe what you want to; refuse to consider the alternative.
I eagerly await the next barrage of lunatic anti-Mason, sun-worship-and-Babylon, The-Pope-is-satan links! |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 06:15:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/seal.htm
In case anyone still needed convincing that you're an idiot, verlch, I think you should look at that dumb-ass site you just linked. In it, the author claims:
"First of all I will interpret the latin words on the seal. 'Annuit Coeptis' means 'Announcing The Birth Of'"
However, when you scroll down the page some you see a picture of some letter dated to April of 1960 titled "The New Age." It lists ten Masonic symbols on the $1 bill. However, when it talks about 'Annuit Coeptis', it translates it as "God has prospered."
Now since I'm not some brainless goon who mindlessly parrots anti-Masonic crap from sketchy websites, I investigated further. And from this link, I see a whole discussion of the term. You can read it to find their intepretation-- a much more convincing one, by the way. However, I did see this at the bottom of the page:
"NOTE: Annuit does not mean 'to announce' (annuntio)."
An on-line dictionary confirms the above, though I'm having trouble finding a definition of 'annuit' to confirm the new translation offered. I'll keep looking.
Anyhow, the author of your link is either a) and idiot, or b) a liar. And in any event, he's too stupid to see that one piece of evidence directly contradicts another. Worse still, you're a fool to believe such a thing, and a greater one to link it!
Quit thinking that the world is out to get you and grow a brain, verlch! |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 06:36:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
The religion of Freemasonry and some of it's mysteries have descended from ancient Egypt whose mysteries descended from ancient Babylon.
You have not proven this one whit. All we have is your unsupported assertation.
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Plain as day in English, My dear radical evolutionists, how do you miss that???? This is one of the many things that went from Babylon, to Egypt!
You are very fond of saying this but very short on evidence backing it up.
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This is the Great Seal of the United States of America. It was designed by the Freemasons and contains a mass of symbolism that the profane (non masons) are not to understand. This article will once and for all prove that the Seal is a Masonic design. Have you ever asked the question 'Why is there a Pyramid on our $1 note"? The religion of Freemasonry and some of it's mysteries have descended from ancient Egypt whose mysteries descended from ancient Babylon. The Pyramid has of old been a fascination of Freemasons. It is a pagan temple of Satan worship. Aliester Crowley, Freemason and chief satanist of the 20th Century performed a satanic ritual in the Kings Chamber. The Masonic founded and controlled cults of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons have also adored the Great Pyramid.
Freemasonry is not a religion. It is a philanthropic organization of religious people. Aliester Crowley was not a mysognistic pagan until after
1) Being a freemason
2) Taking the concepts of the Golden Dawn movement of the 1890's and forming the basis of Wicca.
3) Being expelled from Wicca and his influence largely expunged from the Wiccan movement by Gerald Gardner.
And then you follow it up with a laughable site which sees pyramids everywhere. The picture of the headquarters of Freemasonry in Queensland does not show a pyramid. A common symbol in freemasonry is a triangle with a plumb line. Because, according to the freemasons, "We must get our lives plumb with the archetect of the world.(God)" That is what is represented by your ill-informed and conspiracy theory website. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 11:43:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Good grief, verlch's signature just keeps getting more and more misunderstandings and falsehoods added to it, don't it?
Yeh. I 'specally like this pair:
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Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
Creationist have 4000 years to find evidence buried in earth, and we find written proof of the House of David, and many others.
I am curious to see exactly what a fossil of a fictional drawing is. As for the other, so what?
Although I think that he spends a lot of time playing ostrich, and worse, I like verlch. He is responsible for a lot of good discusions; a lot of good info dug up by many and posted for all to read.
For no more than this, I consider him an asset to our little community.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 12:42:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Good grief, verlch's signature just keeps getting more and more misunderstandings and falsehoods added to it, don't it?
Yeh. I 'specally like this pair:
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Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
Creationist have 4000 years to find evidence buried in earth, and we find written proof of the House of David, and many others.
I am curious to see exactly what a fossil of a fictional drawing is. As for the other, so what?
Although I think that he spends a lot of time playing ostrich, and worse, I like verlch. He is responsible for a lot of good discusions; a lot of good info dug up by many and posted for all to read.
For no more than this, I consider him an asset to our little community.
As what? The community Whack-A-Mole?
He does give us something to refute, though. I'd rather have a more logical opponent than uberfundie. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 13:07:39 [Permalink]
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Personally I love how he invents a term and then blames us for not proving it/disproving it.
What exactly is a (hard core) missing link? |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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verlch
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 15:25:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Good grief, verlch's signature just keeps getting more and more misunderstandings and falsehoods added to it, don't it?
Yeh. I 'specally like this pair:
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Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
Creationist have 4000 years to find evidence buried in earth, and we find written proof of the House of David, and many others.
I am curious to see exactly what a fossil of a fictional drawing is. As for the other, so what?
Although I think that he spends a lot of time playing ostrich, and worse, I like verlch. He is responsible for a lot of good discusions; a lot of good info dug up by many and posted for all to read.
For no more than this, I consider him an asset to our little community.
Well I got to see the evolution of the Elephant in my sons childrens book. We got to see all these 'various' stages of elephants evolving through the ages. Yet when we examine the fossil records of many of these drawings they do not exist. My son asked me what they are, I told him those are fake. They never existed and they are a drawing for fun.
Might remind you that he is four years old and he has to be indoctrinated into your BS. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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