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Ricky
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tw101356
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 Posted - 05/23/2004 : 16:22:11 [Permalink]
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Ricky,
Reiki (sometimes Reikki) is one of the energy flow quackeries. I thinks "herbs" is probably the biggest in terms of annual gross revenue, but they don't really belong to any one branch of pseudomedecine. Every quack can add herbs to their own specialty and people can self diagnose with them, too.
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/23/2004 : 17:33:43 [Permalink]
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have you considered including acupuncture?
and are you planning to discuss the placebo effect?
Good luck on your presentation!! Let us know how it went. |
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Ricky
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 07:00:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
Oh yes, acupuncture, I thought of that then completely forgot about it. And I think the placebo effect is a must, its what suedomedicine bases all its results off of.
Hmmm, Reiki? This could just be me, but I remember a more "English" word for it, well, probably just me.
Thanks for the help guys.
I believe the phrase you are looking for is Tantric healing.
(I knew being a Wiccan would come in handy some day.)
It is interesting to note that those practioners of the healing arts who are worth a damn don't charge and encourage people to seek competent medical help for their condition. (Except for psychosematic illnesses where people just need the dog and pony show)
It is also interesting to note that herbalism is effective for minor conditions as modern medicine is based on early herbalism, not the "cure all"/"snake oil" wonder cures. Still, any real herbalist worth their salt will still suggest that not only the person seek out medical attention, but will insist that the person consult with a doctor before using the herbal remedy, especially if the person is taking any prescription medicine.
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Dave W.
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Ricky
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tw101356
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 13:45:59 [Permalink]
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Doh. Forgot about Therapeutic Touch. It isn't really the same as Reiki because, as I understand it, TT is based on Western delusions about manipulating imaginary energy flows and Reiki is based on Eastern delusions about manipulating imaginary energy flows.
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moakley
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 15:16:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
(I knew being a Wiccan would come in handy some day.)
You're my second witch. I once met Phyllis Curott when she was dating my brother-in-law. I also read her book "Book of Shadows". I found her to be intelligent, well spoken and exceptional in other ways, as well.
You probably get this all the time and are likely tired of it, But ... "You must weigh more than a duck." |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 05/25/2004 : 07:45:43 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by moakley
quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
(I knew being a Wiccan would come in handy some day.)
You're my second witch. I once met Phyllis Curott when she was dating my brother-in-law. I also read her book "Book of Shadows". I found her to be intelligent, well spoken and exceptional in other ways, as well.
You probably get this all the time and are likely tired of it, But ... "You must weigh more than a duck."
Yes, but I'm trying to whittle down to it since I'm made of wood.
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Trish
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Posted - 05/25/2004 : 10:55:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
Oh yes, acupuncture, I thought of that then completely forgot about it. And I think the placebo effect is a must, its what suedomedicine bases all its results off of.
Hmmm, Reiki? This could just be me, but I remember a more "English" word for it, well, probably just me.
Thanks for the help guys.
Therapuetic Touch? That was addressed by Emily Rosa while she was in Jr High, her paper was published in JAMA, I think. |
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Trish
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Posted - 05/25/2004 : 10:57:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
I believe the phrase that Ricky is looking for is "therapeutic touch," the all-encompassing name for most kinds of "energy work," and which has had its basic premise shown to be baloney by a young girl.
Yeah, she lives here in CO, I've met the young lady who graduates this year and is about to go off to college. That's the only reason I'm able to call her name off the top of my head. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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Ricky
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Renae
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Posted - 06/05/2004 : 21:43:26 [Permalink]
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If I remember correctly, acupuncture has shown some effectiveness in treating a few conditions--by real research. For the life of me, I can't remember which conditions, though.
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Ricky
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Posted - 06/09/2004 : 12:56:34 [Permalink]
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Hey, just got back from giving the speech. I'd say it went pretty well. Since it was only 15 minutes max, I decided to limit it to homeopathy, theriputic touch, faith healing, and spinal manipulations. People started laughing when I introduced how homeopathy is claimed to work, and thats always a good sign.
The intro I used:
Its safe to assume that just about everyone here has seen some type of magic show. One of the great things about magic is that it is known as a trick, a deception. What if a magican actually tried to convice people what he was doing was real, that he could actually turn a woman into a tiger? Surely as soon as the smoke and mirrors are removed, it becomes obvious that the entire thing is only that, a trick. It is the same way with pseudomedicine.
And conclusion:
There is something that pseudomedicine can offer that conventional western medicine can't, comfort. The truth, especially when it comes to saving lives, is that not all lives can be saved, and this is something that many people are ready to reject because of wishful thinking. They turn to alternate medicine, pseudomedicine that is full of quacks, frauds, and many dangers. The promise of a cure lures them like a moth to a flame, but in the end, they always get burned.
Thanks for all the help guys.
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Kil
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Posted - 06/09/2004 : 18:48:31 [Permalink]
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| Good job, Ricky. Any chance you could send me the whole report? I would love to see it! |
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