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Ricky
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 07/05/2004 : 20:10:28 [Permalink]
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Ricky wrote:quote:
Half the food in America is unnatural Verlch. Should we outlaw that?
Actually, there is, indeed, at least one group out in the world advocating eating nothing which isn't mentioned in the Bible, and they've got a line of products which conform to their views.
More to the point, verlch appears to be saying that anyone who suggests that gay marriage should be the same as a "normal" marriage is really attacking God. If you accept the premise that marriages are unions blessed by God, and you accept the premise that God disapproves of gay people, then he might have a point. Even then, it's difficult to see how this is any of verlch's business, as God is perfectly capable of defending Himself. Those who go against His Divine Will have to answer to Him, of course, in time (granted that you accept those premises, as well).
verlch is, to say the least, a puzzle. A person who has little idea of what the Bible says, yet thinks he knows the Bible well enough to know what God wants. And to top it all off, thinks that God is such a wimp that He needs to be defended by mere mortals such as verlch. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 06:28:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Any group set up on earth that is supported in the bible is under attack...A gay man and a gay journalist have just as much free will as another guy, but to make gay marriage equal to the union between a man and a woman is unnatural!!! You can be married to the peice that fits the puzzle (woman) or choose to go against nature and god and get no benefits...
Are you the same guy that wants anything referring to God out of the public view, including prayer?
Again, how does extending the same civil obligations and benefits to same sex couples do jack squat to religious marriage? How, verlch? Since the government is
1) forbidden to tell churches how to operate
2) forbidden of approaching the question of religious marriage
3) held as incompetent to judge matters of religious natures
How can you rationally say that extending civil marriage to same sex couples does anything to religious marriage.
Your unsupported allegation that any group set up under the Bible is under attack is noted and discarded due to lack of evidence supplied by you.
I have no problem with religious thought in the public view as long as government is not mandating it.
This does not include ceremonial diesm such as the morning prayer given for the benefit of members of Congress but hold no force of law or the Supreme Court who involks God whenever they sit and hold no force of law. This does include such laws passed which have no secular purpose such as the 1954 and 1956 Acts.
Again, you make more unsupported assertations and provide no source nor evidence for them. Permit me to dismiss your prattling as unsupported fluff and nonsense.
It was put up or shut up time. You haven't put up. That makes your further opinion worthless. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 11:01:10 [Permalink]
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| I find it amusing how Verlch's threads tend to jump from evolution to women-hating, and now to gay marriage. It makes me wonder which evil Verlch will be asserting next. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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verlch
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Posted - 07/09/2004 : 18:10:29 [Permalink]
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| I hate feminism, not women....your like my mother you never listen!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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tomk80
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Posted - 07/09/2004 : 23:24:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I hate feminism, not women....your like my mother you never listen!!!
And she shouldn't. Anybody listening to you can't actually be in his right state of mind. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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verlch
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 19:00:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
"I hate feminism, not women....your like my mother you never listen!!!" - verlch
What is feminism? Is it women wanting the right to vote? Or is it women wanting the right to work out of the kitchen? Or is it women wanting the right to be treated like human beings?
Edit: And we are listening, but your not saying much.
Yeah women these days wanted independence from taking care of a family, making a man happy, and keeping a home tidy and clean for the welfare of her home!!!
Now days a woman wants to pay 15% of the bills, and have the husband do 60% of the house work, work twice as hard at a career, and pay 85% of the bills.... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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gezzam
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 19:08:51 [Permalink]
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Yeah women these days wanted independence from taking care of a family, making a man happy, and keeping a home tidy and clean for the welfare of her home!!!
Now days a woman wants to pay 15% of the bills, and have the husband do 60% of the house work, work twice as hard at a career, and pay 85% of the bills....
You know Verlch, my wife is pregnant at the moment and I do 90 percent of the housework, as well as go to work, walk the dog and all the other things required.....and boy is her libido up at the moment... 
Anyway, this is what I do because whilst you might want to keep your wife barefoot and pregnant in front of the stove, I want to make sure my baby has the best start in life and a stressed out mum isn't going to help. I love my wife and my future child......if that means working hard to provide for her and make her life easy, then so be it.
No wonder in previous posts you said you have been divorced and 85 percent on the way to another, I'd bitchslap you outta my house as well.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 20:23:00 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
I hate feminism, not women....
And then:quote:
Yeah women these days wanted independence from taking care of a family, making a man happy, and keeping a home tidy and clean for the welfare of her home!!!
Now days a woman wants to pay 15% of the bills, and have the husband do 60% of the house work, work twice as hard at a career, and pay 85% of the bills....
Well, since all women are apparently feminists - in your mind - you must hate women. Try holding back on those broad generalizations (hahahaha - get it?) and you'll get along better with women. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 01:29:31 [Permalink]
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Verlch, you still haven't answered this question:
In what way is a civil, secular gay marrige destroying the concept of religious marrige? |
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PolarBear
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 09:37:17 [Permalink]
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but why does this thread exist? It seems to me that Verlch's assertions have been throughly examined and debunked... so why not just ignore him completely. It seems a waste of valuable bandwith and server storage space. If nobody ever responds to him, he'll go away eventually...
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 10:30:09 [Permalink]
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Gay marrige, is it now? I might have known that would sooner or later pop up in this convoluted thread. Verlch, exactly how does it affect you?
Me, while I'll not attend the batchlor party and don't want to know about the consumation, I think that it's a good thing. If two people want to be locked into a monogmous relationship, with all of the attending trials and benefits, great. As to the law, it should be left up to the states and the churches affected.
And as to your problems with women, friend, you could use some counciling. Do try it. It might change your luck.
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EricD
New Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 07/16/2004 : 05:36:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Ok pal I'll go to my dads lab and get some things to carbon date, then I will offer you proof to your face, you troll.
Well, this answer alone makes it quite clear that you do not have a very big understanding of radiocarbon dating.
Let me give you a hint: radiocarbon dating depends on the radioactive properties of the different, naturally occuring, isotopes of the element Carbon, taken in by organisms during their lifetime.
Since 1945 however, the natural occurance of Carbon isotopes is somewhat disorganized. Remember Hiroshima? And all nuclear tests afterward did their bit of shuffling as well.
All radiocarbon dating on organic material that has lived beyond the year 1950 is therefore useless.
So, unless you have stacked some thirties roadkill in your fridge, I am afraid there is no way your dad's lab can help you with this. Sorry.
Oh, almost forgot y'all want links: http://www.c14dating.com/
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 07/19/2004 : 06:55:51 [Permalink]
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Hello, EricD
Welcome to this forum.
Have you been lurking here for a while, or are you a fresh reader as well?
regards,
Mabuse. |
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