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lpetrich
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 08/17/2001 : 00:33:39 [Permalink]
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URL: Possible US military aircraft sightings
Story about sightings of possible unpublicized US military aircraft. Their sighting locations are associated with certain USAF bases, and their reported shape is certainly appropriate.
Also, I've written an article about UFO and ancient-astronaut paradoxes: URL http://www.petrich.com/writings/UFO_AA_Paradoxes.html
Edited by - lpetrich on 08/16/2001 23:12:19
Hi,
I posted this on the BA board:
I was one of the witnesses mentioned by William Scott as having seen the black triangle near Edwards Air Force Base, specifically on February 16, 1994. His "neutral buoyancy" hypothesis makes sense since the object took about 3 seconds to move its own length, probably indicating both very great size and low speed. I saw it through a night vision scope as an utterly black triangle with an apex of about 35 degrees (much sharper than the B-2 Stealth bomber). It was easy to track as it obscured the stars, since these are brilliantly dense and bright through the scope. It was about 6 degrees long, though I have no idea how high it might have been. It made no noise that I could hear. I watched it continuously for 3 minutes. It passed almost directly overhead, and eventually disappeared behind a nearby range of hills.
A surprising number of skeptics have seen ufos; but, as we see on Rift's string under "General Discussion". As he says though, the jump from "unknown aircraft" to "space aliens" is ludicrous.
At one time, I had a bio page at ufomind.com that described me as a "hardcore skeptic", an apellation of which I was very proud. Unfortunately, this page was deleted during ufomind's big cleanup earlier this year. There was also an entry for "Rog Piltdown" as the "reported alias of Jimmy Reynolds."
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Rift
Skeptic Friend
USA
333 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2001 : 21:09:35 [Permalink]
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This doesn't have much to do with the original post, but it is a "real" UFO I saw. (Well, not a UFO, because I identified it, but I'm sure a phenomena that is reported as a UFO a lot)
It seems the public has a great disdain for the reasons science gives for most UFOs. This was quite evident (if funny) in "Men In Black's" "It was Venus reflecting off of a weather balloon through swamp gas" joke.
You can still see websites that dismiss the "Lubbuck Lights" Bluebook explanation. In 1951 there were photos taken of a formation of lights. The Air Force explained it as a flock of birds reflecting street lights off of their bellys. And it is often
ridiculed as an obvious lame attempt at an explanation.
I was skeptical of this explanation myself until one fall a few years ago. I was stepping out of a Wallmart right at dusk. It was still light, but dark enough for the lights in the parking lot to go on. I heard a honking. I looked up and saw a flock of canadian geese. With glowing tummys!!!
If it had been darker, the geese silent, or higher up where I couldn't heard them, I would have seen an exact replica of the Lubbock Lights.
"Goddammit! The world is just filling up with more and more idiots! And the computer is giving them access to the world! They're
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2001 : 18:13:46 [Permalink]
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Now, what would we skeptics do if there were no irrational *stupidities* to rake over the coals. If the public ever ceases to be true believers, what will become of us skeptics? We will need to find a new hobby to fill the hours.
So, long live the *true believers* and glory to the *UFO patrol*, et al. Without them, and without the many other absurd crank ideas that are on the web, life would lose most of its greatest pleasures...
ljbrs
Perfection Is a State of Growth...
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Rift
Skeptic Friend
USA
333 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2001 : 18:51:07 [Permalink]
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I would tend to agree, Ijbrs. There is nothing quite like the feeling you get when you realize the answer for some moron's stupid pseudo-science bunkum.
I was delighted when I looked up and saw glowing geese. :) When I found that .ram in the ALSJ that debunked Piper, I felt the same way :)
"Goddammit! The world is just filling up with more and more idiots! And the computer is giving them access to the world! They're
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2001 : 00:15:21 [Permalink]
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You can still see websites that dismiss the "Lubbuck Lights" Bluebook explanation. In 1951 there were photos taken of a formation of lights. The Air Force explained it as a flock of birds reflecting street lights off of their bellys. And it is often
ridiculed as an obvious lame attempt at an explanation.
I was skeptical of this explanation myself until one fall a few years ago. I was stepping out of a Wallmart right at dusk. It was still light, but dark enough for the lights in the parking lot to go on. I heard a honking. I looked up and saw a flock of canadian geese. With glowing tummys!!!
If it had been darker, the geese silent, or higher up where I couldn't heard them, I would have seen an exact replica of the Lubbock Lights.
"Goddammit! The world is just filling up with more and more idiots! And the computer is giving them access to the world! They're
spreading their stupidity! At least they were contained before--now they're on the loose everywhere!"?
I saw this exact same phenomenon a few months ago. I was in a parking lot surrounded by bright sodium vapor lights, and looked up to see the lights reflecting brightly off a flock of birds. They were low enough for their wings to be seen, had they been a little higher, only their glowing bellies would have been visible. Amazingly, this parking lot was none other than that of the Lubbock Public Library, within 100 yards of the spot from which the first Lubbock Lights sighting was reportedly made in 1951. The Library wasn't there then, but the bright lights of the old West Texas Hospital and the Lindsay Theater were.
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Rift
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 04:14:54 [Permalink]
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I saw this exact same phenomenon a few months ago. I was in a parking lot surrounded by bright sodium vapor lights, and looked up to see the lights reflecting
brightly off a flock of birds. They were low enough for their wings to be seen, had they been a little higher, only their glowing bellies would have been visible.
Amazingly, this parking lot was none other than that of the Lubbock Public Library, within 100 yards of the spot from which the first Lubbock Lights
sighting was reportedly made in 1951. The Library wasn't there then, but the bright lights of the old West Texas Hospital and the Lindsay Theater were.
That's cool, Piltdown, lol. That's probably a family tradition in that flock of birds now. "Lets fly over Lubbuck like great-great-grandpa did and see if we can get any fool humans to think we are aliens"
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Kaptain K
New Member
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2001 : 03:28:38 [Permalink]
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I have a book of Arthur C. Clarke's essays (Report on Planet Three and other speculations). In one of the essays, he states that anyone who has not seen a "UFO" has not been looking at the sky. He mentions several he has seen, including one that turned out to be a flock of birds.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2001 : 00:14:24 [Permalink]
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black triangle near Edwards Air Force Base
I saw something similar!!!
But it was during the day. And it was called the Stalth (sp.) Bomber. Man, that thing is cool looking.
A thin black triangle shooting through the air, Wow!
It was a few years ago at an air show near where I live, the Van Nuys Air Port.
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