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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 06/14/2004 : 09:04:37
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The Pledge case has been decided......sort of.
The court decided to deny Newdow standing instead of ruling on the subject.
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Dave W.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 06/14/2004 : 12:36:56 [Permalink]
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And this is supprising, how?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 14:35:13 [Permalink]
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| It's an easy out for them. If a parent who actually had custody of his child ever takes this up, they may have a chance. As long as Bush doesn't get to pick the next justice..... |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 14:53:39 [Permalink]
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The guy at the Washington Post said that Scalia recused himself (if recuse is the right word) and did not vote because of some comments that he made. From what I see, Newdow would have lost if Scalia had voted on the idea that In God We Trust is not unconstitutional. Here's a good analysis too:
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/092206.htm#more |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 19:32:09 [Permalink]
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Gorgo wrote:quote:
The guy at the Washington Post said that Scalia recused himself (if recuse is the right word) and did not vote because of some comments that he made.
Indeed, those comments were "critical" (to use the word of a New York Times reporter) of the earlier circuit-court decision that brought Newdow to the Supreme court. He made the comments prior to hearing Newdow's arguments before SCOTUS, and so basically said "my mind is made up" before ever speaking with the plaintiff. Not good for a Supreme.quote:
From what I see, Newdow would have lost if Scalia had voted on the idea that In God We Trust is not unconstitutional.
Well, while all eight (nine minus Scalia) agreed that Newdow didn't have standing to bring the suit in the first place, only three of them went further to say that they thought the Pledge is Constitutional (using, if your cite is correct, lousy arguments). Scalia would make four, unless one of the other five is a Scalia puppet who decided to stay mum.
An NPR commentator said something about how finding "under God" to be unconstitutional would have been a political nightmare, and attempting to justify Newdow's standing would have been a legal and social nightmare (those nasty Feds interfering with California custody battles, etc.), so the SCOTUS took the easy way out of both problems. While I agree with Newdow's ideals, I've also got sympathy for the Supremes faced with such a hot-button issue. And I also wish someone other than Newdow had gotten there (someone with clear custody), to force the Justices' hands. |
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