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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 06/17/2004 : 07:25:26
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5232981/
Another one of Rummy's dirty little secrets comes to life. The guy's been detained since October but was not assigned a prison number nor was the Red Cross informed of his presence. Both violations of the Geneva Convention.
Fire up the Hague War Crimes Tribunal. We have a winner.
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chaloobi
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 Posted - 06/17/2004 : 08:15:31 [Permalink]
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| He's got to go. So does Bush. I knew a Republican Administration was going to be bad for the country but I never dreamed those idiots would do SO MUCH BAD. And it just keeps getting worse. |
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 06/17/2004 : 08:34:02 [Permalink]
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| This is beyond belief... |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2004 : 08:44:10 [Permalink]
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What we have here is an administration of Reagan re-caps with no Reagan. What ever his faults, and there were a lot of them, he was a coallesing influence. He was manipulated, perhaps, but he was the head of the government and you can believe it. And he was no where near as corrupt and morally bankrupt as our present alledged leader. The way it looks to me is that Bush has let them set up their own, little fiefdoms and run them with no oversite from him. Rubber stamp approval. The buck stops at the bottom of the Mariannas Trench, or with someone expendable.
Damn, Sam! Not even Nixon would do it that way!
I hope November gets here quickly. I'll have lost yet another year, but my country will have lost a set of non-functioning assholes. I'll make the trade and call it a good deal all around.
War crimes trials? Nah. Ain't happening anytime soon, if ever. Sure would like to see it, though.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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@tomic
Administrator
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 02:38:32 [Permalink]
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Well, with Attorney General Asscraft, (ala Dr. Susan Block), writing the rule book...
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Filthy posted
I hope November gets here quickly.
What if these idiots win?
What if al Qaeda strikes the US again, and the American people rally around the "war time" president and the avenger of terrorism?
What happens if Brother Jeb buys all of those "no paper trail" voting machines from the guy that swears he'll do whatever it takes to make sure GW wins?
What happens if another "October surprise" turns up to put an honest election into the corner of the Republicans?
Can we handle another four years of the erosion of our personal and civil rights, and the massive debt being placed on the shoulders of working people of this country? |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 05:55:06 [Permalink]
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Another four years of Bush admistration scumbaggery and we, if not the world will have had the radish. The population of Canada will enjoy a modest immigration increase, for whatever that might be worth (I've always liked the Bay of Fundy. Highest tides in the world, Bay of Fundy).
As it stands at the moment, Shithead would not be elected. But I am expecting an Oct. supprise because that's the way these pond-scum rejects work. What will it be, I wonder? Will they suddenly produce Osama with an exciting story of his capture or death? Will a 'dirty bomb' go off in NYC (not all that easy to build an effective one, from what I've read)? What?
Which brings on another question: Would indeed the country rally 'round? I'm not so sure. After all, it would be the second disaster on Bush's watch, of which he's spent some 42% of fucking off in Crawford and elsewhere (Kerry ought to make a point of this outrageous slacking). And as for Osama, if he's still alive, they'd have to have been keeping him in a closet ever since Tora Bora (I think he's either dead or retired). Is the American voting public really so stupid they'd fall for that one?
Lots of pissed-off people in FL, too. Perhaps even enough to overcome Jebby's fraud this time.
In all events, this is going to be an historic election and I think that the margines will be large enough that the Supreme(?) Court will be unable to do a damned thing about it.
That's assuming that we actually have an election. 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 08:22:49 [Permalink]
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(The link doesn't currently work for me.)
War crime trials? Hardly... isn't war a game where the winner writes the rules, after it's all over? |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:32:47 [Permalink]
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quote:
Lots of pissed-off people in FL, too. Perhaps even enough to overcome Jebby's fraud this time.
Yes there are...
Jeb is, once again, working hard to disenfranchise as many voters as he can. The state of FL is one of the few that permanently disenfranchise convicted felons. Every election year the state has a "list" prepared and disperses it to local elections supervisors. The FELON list.
In 2000, the list was prepared by a TX firm that, at the request of the Gov (Jeb) and the Sec of State (Harris), was deliberately broad. The firm notified the state that the criteria would result in many false positives. As a result thousands of FL voters were purged from the rolls of registered voters. (the list was somehting like 50,000 names, and an estimated 1/3 were wrongly included. 65% of the names on the list were minority people, i.e. black/hispanic/ect,,)
In an election with the final count (that is used by most anyway) gives a win by 500 votes... how can you ingore thousands of disenfranchised voters?
Some of the people who were on the list.... a prominent reverend, who went with a group from his church and his family to the polls.... and was told he was a convicted felon and not allowed to vote. The supervisor of elections in one county found her name on the list... The whole thing was a fiasco comparable to 1960 Chicago.
Anyway.... Jeb is using the same firm, with the same criteria, to prep the felon list again this year. Makes me want to head up to Tallahassee and slap Jeb silly. All I can say is, if my name shows up on that list.... somebody is probably going to jail (me, for stomping the nuts off the county supervisor of elections). |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 07:28:22 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Maverick
(The link doesn't currently work for me.)
War crime trials? Hardly... isn't war a game where the winner writes the rules, after it's all over?
We in the US, try not to do that. (Although we have in the past and probably will again in the future.) We have even put our own citizens on trial for war crimes. (Mai Lay 4) Especially when such actions seriously hurt our country in the international markets. After all, who wants to trade with a bully? |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 09:22:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Maverick
(The link doesn't currently work for me.)
War crime trials? Hardly... isn't war a game where the winner writes the rules, after it's all over?
We in the US, try not to do that. (Although we have in the past and probably will again in the future.) We have even put our own citizens on trial for war crimes. (Mai Lay 4) Especially when such actions seriously hurt our country in the international markets. After all, who wants to trade with a bully?
I'm very ignorant of those events, so I can't say much about it. Isn't it worrying that these things are just shows for the people? I mean if the Iraq prison abuse never had been revealed (to the public), noone would've been put on trial for it. It's a bit worrying that some people have morals only when others are looking. Also, according to the news, Rumsfeld did not only know but actually authorized some of the abuse. And now the Bush administration wants to set things right, to investigate it and to put their people to trial. But why not put Rumsfeld there? Or Bush himself? After all, if one claims to be the defender of democracy and the beacon of freedom, isn't that then what one should try and be? Of course, the next best thing work well too, which is, to say "I didn't know anything, but we will investigate these crimes..." and let some people at the bottom take the fall. And I believe I heard that Bush (or someone of his people) said that no american could be put before an international crime tribunal. How come?
This is what I mean, the rules are off when it's war, except when one side wants to accuse the other for violating those rules. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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4826 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 09:53:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Maverick
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Maverick
(The link doesn't currently work for me.)
War crime trials? Hardly... isn't war a game where the winner writes the rules, after it's all over?
We in the US, try not to do that. (Although we have in the past and probably will again in the future.) We have even put our own citizens on trial for war crimes. (Mai Lay 4) Especially when such actions seriously hurt our country in the international markets. After all, who wants to trade with a bully?
I'm very ignorant of those events, so I can't say much about it. Isn't it worrying that these things are just shows for the people? I mean if the Iraq prison abuse never had been revealed (to the public), noone would've been put on trial for it. It's a bit worrying that some people have morals only when others are looking. Also, according to the news, Rumsfeld did not only know but actually authorized some of the abuse. And now the Bush administration wants to set things right, to investigate it and to put their people to trial. But why not put Rumsfeld there? Or Bush himself? After all, if one claims to be the defender of democracy and the beacon of freedom, isn't that then what one should try and be? Of course, the next best thing work well too, which is, to say "I didn't know anything, but we will investigate these crimes..." and let some people at the bottom take the fall. And I believe I heard that Bush (or someone of his people) said that no american could be put before an international crime tribunal. How come?
This is what I mean, the rules are off when it's war, except when one side wants to accuse the other for violating those rules.
Bush believes himself to be above the law through divine providence.
The rest of us don't agree. |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 10:07:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Bush believes himself to be above the law through divine providence.
The rest of us don't agree.
Yeah I know most people wouldn't agree with it, and that is still a positive sign. You have an election coming up this year right? Could be interesting. I guess if lying to go to war isn't enough, we could always hope he is having an affair with an intern... then he's going to lie about that, and then surely his days are numbered. :) |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 10:40:07 [Permalink]
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It's a bit worrying that some people have morals only when others are looking.
I think this is true of all people, to some extent. And especially true of the current incarnation of the Republican Party in the US. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:17:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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It's a bit worrying that some people have morals only when others are looking.
I think this is true of all people, to some extent. And especially true of the current incarnation of the Republican Party in the US.
That makes sense, actually. I think we all have done things simply because we're not seen. But most of it is probably not too big crimes... |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 23:15:31 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, each person drawn the line in a different place. It seems the older I get the more Kant-ian my ethics get though. On a personal level I see more value in non-consequential ethical thinking. On a larger social scale I see more value in the utilitarian or contractarian approaches. If anyone wants to read some good books about political liberalism or social contractarianism, do a search on Amazon.com for John Rawls. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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