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@tomic
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 Posted - 06/02/2001 : 17:52:19 [Permalink]
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I am one of the only ones to vote for history....booooooo. I guess I was thinking of that famous quote "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"
Well it goes something like that anyway.
I agree a class about critical thinking should be just about the first science class taken, though it obviously applies to a lot more than science(try everything).
Oh and try the spell check button! LOL
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Lisa
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2001 : 18:07:44 [Permalink]
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Critik.
Chaos...Confusion...Destruction...My Work Here Is Done |
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Greg
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2001 : 19:24:54 [Permalink]
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I voted for Philosophy. I think learning logic (conditional & indirect proofs etc.), the structure of arguments, as well as classic arguments is the best way to condition the mind to critical thinking.
A multidisciplinary approach could be taken here with emphesis on logic.
Greg.
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Trish
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Posted - 06/02/2001 : 22:57:12 [Permalink]
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A class in critical thinking would do young students so much good later in life. Fortunately, I had a teacher who incorporated this into his everyday class. Surprise, it was my advance English Lit teacher.
The teacher that taught the most about crit thinking in my high school was in American History. Course every Friday we got to discuss whatever subject we wanted. If you wanted to know about the bang-bang parts of history read the book cause we were going to discuss the why.
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Zandermann
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2001 : 23:01:30 [Permalink]
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(Lisa) A class in critical thinking would do young students so much good later in life. Fortunately, I had a teacher who incorporated this into his everyday class. ...
(Trish) The teacher that taught the most about crit thinking in my high school was in American History. ...
I find myself doing more and more crit thinking exercises in my Geometry classes...the whole question of "why" gets hammered over and over
Most of the times the folks in my classes react pretty well to it, and their analytical skills blossom.
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Trish
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Posted - 06/02/2001 : 23:22:27 [Permalink]
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It is sad that they haven't developed those skills by the time they get to you. Kids are smart enough to start learning critical thinking skills the first time they begin to question the why of the world around them. Unfortunately many parents don't take the time develop those skills or just give the awful stock answer ::gawd:: says so. Eek!
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Zandermann
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2001 : 23:31:45 [Permalink]
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It is sad that they haven't developed those skills by the time they get to you. Kids are smart enough to start learning critical thinking skills the first time they begin to question the why of the world around them.
The easy answer is that a lot of kids grow up by themselves these days, with their primary education in their formative years being the tube.
The harder question lies in how we might be able to combat this.
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Unfortunately many parents don't take the time develop those skills or just give the awful stock answer ::gawd:: says so. Eek!
Add to that the overwhelming majority of parents that never hear their kids' questions, or have *no* idea how to deal with them.
Read a great line from that contempory philosopher Terry Pratchett:
(paraphrase) "Sometimes I wish parents had to take a proper exam before having children, instead of just passing the practical."
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Trish
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2001 : 23:48:35 [Permalink]
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The easy answer is that a lot of kids grow up by themselves these days, with their primary education in their formative years being the tube.
Yeah, it's an easy temptation. I know I used to let mine watch vids when I was fixing dinner. But kept her from underfoot. Now, I watch with my kid and we discuss the show. 'Specially since she likes to watch Mysteries of the Unexplained. Yikes! I sit there and cuss at the TV and she laughs at the show!
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Add to that the overwhelming majority of parents that never hear their kids' questions, or have *no* idea how to deal with them.
Well there's the internet. It's helped us both look up the answers for her questions!
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/03/2001 : 13:46:00 [Permalink]
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Unfortunately, there's a lot of people afraid of the internet.
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@tomic
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USA
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Posted - 06/03/2001 : 13:50:58 [Permalink]
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Maybe this is related to the fear of spiders. Maybe calling it the World Wide Web was not such a good idea. People with serious arachniphobia might not even want to own a computer fearing a spider might crawl into their homes via the web.
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Snake
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Posted - 06/04/2001 : 01:42:13 [Permalink]
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Did you want the vote from the parents point of view or the childs?
I voted for PE because that's what Sky would probably like from the choices.
Academics are ok but one learns from all subjects, art and sports as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't like big league sports. Basketball and golf are about the stupidest games to watch but playing in school, well at least golf [he's on the golf team, I have to say that], are ok. If you have an interest in any subject you can learn them outside of school. Don't have to spend all school time doing them. Having fun is more important then studying. Unless your are like Sky and they are one in the same. ha ha.
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Snake
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Posted - 06/04/2001 : 01:59:53 [Permalink]
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It is sad that they haven't developed those skills by the time they get to you. Kids are smart enough to start learning critical thinking skills the first time they begin to question the why of the world around them.
The easy answer is that a lot of kids grow up by themselves these days, with their primary education in their formative years being the tube.
The harder question lies in how we might be able to combat this.
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Unfortunately many parents don't take the time develop those skills or just give the awful stock answer ::gawd:: says so. Eek!
Add to that the overwhelming majority of parents that never hear their kids' questions, or have *no* idea how to deal with them.
Read a great line from that contempory philosopher Terry Pratchett:
(paraphrase) "Sometimes I wish parents had to take a proper exam before having children, instead of just passing the practical."
What's wrong with learning from TV? Most of what I know is from watching 'The Lone Ranger' and 'Perry Mason' and other shows like those.
My boy learned to read by watching 'Wheel of Fortune', thank goodness he learned by the time he was 3, so I didn't have to have it on anymore, I can't stand the idiots who are on that show.
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Trish
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Posted - 06/04/2001 : 14:44:21 [Permalink]
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What's wrong with learning from TV?
Um, spoon feeding. There's too much erroneous information on TV. You think Anastasia has anything to do with Bolshevik Revolution on Oct 17? No. Rasputin was poisoned, thrown in the river, shot and so on to get rid of him. But Anastasia is believed to have been missed when the Bolsheviks assasinated the czars family. Why was St. Petersburg called Leningrad, then Stalingrad then Leningrad before returning to St. Petersburg after the fall of the USSR. Rasputin was killed before the czars family, so if Anastasia survived the executions, he would have been long dead and not chasing her!
Sorry for the history lesson, but just some of the mis-information supplied us by hollywierd. These people aren't after the facts, they're after the almighty dollar!
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 06/04/2001 : 15:18:49 [Permalink]
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Rasputin was killed before the czars family, so if Anastasia survived the executions, he would have been long dead and not chasing her!
Sorry for the history lesson, but just some of the mis-information supplied us by hollywierd. These people aren't after the facts, they're after the almighty dollar![quote]
The history lesson is details. If one sees a 'Hollywood' story I would think he'd be smart enough to research further if interested in the subject. Who takes that seriously? It's just a catalyst. Drama or comedy for that matter is not for the story line but the observation of the interaction of the characters. That's the learning I'm talking about. True history is something else. If someone is stupid enough to base his knowledge on a dramatic interpretation, they get what they pay for.
There is a lot of wealth and potential of TV to be informative. 'What's a matter U', don't watch PBS?
Another thought: you can always tell who the people are who watch soap operas, LOL, they are always hyper and worried about what MIGHT happen, even if the probability is low. You see, TV teaches you to stay away from those kinds of people and not get caught up in there drama.
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@tomic
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USA
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Posted - 06/04/2001 : 15:24:21 [Permalink]
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People are often not bright enough to distinguish fiction from reality. After some episodes of America's Most Wanted, the actors doing the re-enactments were reported to police! Hello!!
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