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Terryt88
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 Posted - 06/26/2004 : 15:47:24
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There is a news story on http://www.gamespot.com. When I first read it I really didn't care too much. I mean come on, Christians have the same right to make a game as anybody. But then I read
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President and CEO Tom Bean has assembled a team of veterans from the education sector of the industry. Their collective resume includes such elementary school classics as Carmen Sandiego, Reader Rabbit, and Oregon Trail. Digital Praise has already acquired the license and started development on two games based on the Adventures in Odyssey radio theater series.
Full Story:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/06/25/news_6101443.html
I mean who doesn't remember playing the "Oregon Trail" or "Carmen Sandiego." I was introduced to both of these games in my public elementary school because they were educational and fun to play at the same time.
Seeing these game developers listed here made me wonder where their target audience lies. ie. A legitamate gaming community or our public schools? Is this a grassroots movement by Christians or am I just being an over-concerned seperation of church and state advocate (I do that sometimes.  )
What are your alls thoughts?
-Terry
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verlch
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 16:01:08 [Permalink]
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| Wow cares...I think you should spend your time getting teh 'In God We Trust' off of the money in this country!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Terryt88
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 17:03:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Wow cares...I think you should spend your time getting teh 'In God We Trust' off of the money in this country!!!
Umm, I do...I think you should spend your time getting some credible evidence for some of your other posts.
Thanks for the reply. Have a good day! |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 18:56:55 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Terryt88
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Wow cares...I think you should spend your time getting teh 'In God We Trust' off of the money in this country!!!
Umm, I do...I think you should spend your time getting some credible evidence for some of your other posts.
Thanks for the reply. Have a good day!
Yeah maybe you could admit what you believe in is Theory and not fact!!! Maybe you could put a special place on the bill 'In Gays We Love'. Since that is where this country is headed...God save us all!!! There is enough gayness on TV to make me throw up!!! As if that is normal!....and natural. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 19:10:39 [Permalink]
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1Co 2:9, But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
A message from your maker... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Terryt88
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 20:17:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Yeah maybe you could admit what you believe in is Theory and not fact!!! Maybe you could put a special place on the bill 'In Gays We Love'. Since that is where this country is headed...God save us all!!! There is enough gayness on TV to make me throw up!!! As if that is normal!....and natural.
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1Co 2:9, But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
A message from your maker...
Ok, so I really didn't want to turn my honest attempt at a conversation about Christian game development and seperation of church and state to turn into a sarcasm fight with someone who obviously has no respect for me or many of my friends here, but I really can not help but point out what a complete bigot you are making yourself look like. And not in this thread, I have been reading through many.
"Theory and not fact"? I can only imagine you are talking origin of species. Well my friend there are many threads on this board that talk about evolution. As a matter of fact there is an entire forum devoted to it. There are even some threads that talk about what a scientific "theory" actually is. I highly recommend them as your disparaging use of the term makes me think you have little idea about what you discuss.
And you really picked one of my bones with your ad hominem statements about gays. I personally am not gay, but I find it pretty ignorant to curtail someone's rights based soley on their sexual orientation. Know what I mean? Don't you think this smacks of the same injustice afforded to minorities and women in years past?
Oh wait. I forgot, you like to quote 1st Corinthians. Yeah theres a real staple for civil rights.
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1. The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.--6:9
2. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.--6:12
3. It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--7:1
4. Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised.--7:18
5. But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none.--7:29
6. The head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man.--11:3
7. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.--11:7
8. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.--11:8
9. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak .... If they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home.--14:34-35
10. If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.--14:38
Info gathered from Skeptic's Annotated Bible
I personally thought number 10 applied to your case, but then I decided the Bible is a pretty crappy reference to live by.
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Ricky
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 20:40:54 [Permalink]
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Ricky, verlch is a moron. He has been told time and time again that the theory of evolution is the explanation of the mechanism of evolution. He can't seem to graps the concept that theories are what we use to explain observed phenomenon.
If we did not observe evolution taking place in the world around us and in the fossil record (see the many many posts by people in this forum for the links to proof) we would not have a theory for it.
verlch refuses to grasp this. The conclusion is that he's to stupid to understand it, ot he's just (as pointed out by others) a troll trying to get a rise out of people.
We should all just stop responding to his idiotic assertions. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 06/28/2004 : 11:26:39 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Terryt88
There is a news story on http://www.gamespot.com. When I first read it I really didn't care too much. I mean come on, Christians have the same right to make a game as anybody. But then I read
quote:
President and CEO Tom Bean has assembled a team of veterans from the education sector of the industry. Their collective resume includes such elementary school classics as Carmen Sandiego, Reader Rabbit, and Oregon Trail. Digital Praise has already acquired the license and started development on two games based on the Adventures in Odyssey radio theater series.
Full Story:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/06/25/news_6101443.html
I mean who doesn't remember playing the "Oregon Trail" or "Carmen Sandiego." I was introduced to both of these games in my public elementary school because they were educational and fun to play at the same time.
Seeing these game developers listed here made me wonder where their target audience lies. ie. A legitamate gaming community or our public schools? Is this a grassroots movement by Christians or am I just being an over-concerned seperation of church and state advocate (I do that sometimes. )
What are your alls thoughts?
-Terry
Valiant Dancer tries a vain attempt at getting this thread back on track by actually responding to the question posited by Terry
I think that the game programs would have to be played by administrators to judge whether or not they had impermissible expressions of faith. It may be an attempt to get religious content into educational game programs. While fine for the private sector, it really is questionable in the public educational system. They may be required to remove all impermissible references within games supplied to public schools.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 06/28/2004 : 11:27:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Wow cares...I think you should spend your time getting teh 'In God We Trust' off of the money in this country!!!
If this really didn't matter to you, then why did you respond? |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Terryt88
Skeptic Friend
USA
120 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2004 : 14:32:44 [Permalink]
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originally quoted from Valiant Dancer
Valiant Dancer tries a vain attempt at getting this thread back on track by actually responding to the question posited by Terry
I think that the game programs would have to be played by administrators to judge whether or not they had impermissible expressions of faith. It may be an attempt to get religious content into educational game programs. While fine for the private sector, it really is questionable in the public educational system. They may be required to remove all impermissible references within games supplied to public schools.
Thanks.
I guess I am not familiar with what checks there are in place, or if they are working. As I have read sites that instruct people on how to teach creationism "through the gaps" so to speak. 1 It seems there are loop holes everywhere.
I guess this issue really just falls back into the more general argument of non-secular education material in schools. I would like to think it doesn't happen, but I'm pretty sure it does.
Ref:
[1]http://www.nwcreation.net/publicschools.html --(PS- That was the first site I got with a google search, I am not a regular visitor to it or anything. Some of the links inside to point to less than reputable websites.)
[Edit: Changed sentence to read that people are getting instruction on creationism teaching, which reflects the link more.] |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/28/2004 : 23:34:05 [Permalink]
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Was clicking through some of those links.... Amazing what people will believe. I found one that claims evolution is responsible for Hitler, Stalin, and Columbine!
http://strengthsandweaknesses.org/D.Scott.Oct.13.PR.2.pdf
There are some scary people out there. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/29/2004 : 08:29:38 [Permalink]
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Dude wrote:quote:
I found one that claims evolution is responsible for Hitler, Stalin, and Columbine!
The only new thing there is Columbine, as evolution has been blamed for the other two (and others) for quite some time. See, for example, the SFN article The Bible's Bad Fruits. |
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