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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9688 Posts

Posted - 10/17/2004 :  13:37:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Hey Doc, don't you know by now that the meaning of Christianity is all in how you translate it?
I've known it for a long time. I'm not sure if I've said it before (I think I have, but my memory fails me...) but I once was a Pentecostal for ten years. But contrary to tkster and his friends (and my own sisters and brothers in the Pentecostal church I attended) I really made an effort trying to live the way Jesus taught: love your neighbour (friend or foe), be honest, don't gossip behind people's back (that's what I was taught was the meaning behind the verse that says women shouldn't speak in church) etc.

I held my self to a much higher standard, I suppose that's why I became disappointed in the rest of them: They paid lip-service but didn't give a shit about actually doing the right thing.
I think that was the starting point of my critical-thinking career: Did my friends really live the way they teach? What else is there?

Edited to add: Today I realise that I had too high expectations of my surroundings, perhaps even of myself. I still dislike talking behind people's back, because I know how it feels like being one of those who are subject of such talk. When I meet someone fresh I do my very best to start with a clean slate, even if I've heard bad stuff about him/her. I am a naive person, kind of, at heart. All the bad things I've said about tkster is stuff I personally think he is deserving of, and since he is not allowing me to articulate it on his own site, I take the opportunity to make it here.
Does that make me a bad person? To anyone who answer yes: I don't care what you think.

When a Christian is applying double standards, he should hold himself to the higher one. I know I did when I was one, why can't the rest of them do so? That's one of the things the Bible teaches.

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 10/17/2004 :  13:46:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
I can't find the post since I don't have access to the search-engine on that web-site.


Actually, you most likely still can, try using this link:

http://skeptictimes.golivewire.com/forums/search.php

As for that post, I went through all your posts and couldn't find it, but I know I read what you are talking about. It most likely got deleted.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9688 Posts

Posted - 10/17/2004 :  14:14:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

quote:
I can't find the post since I don't have access to the search-engine on that web-site.


Actually, you most likely still can, try using this link:

http://skeptictimes.golivewire.com/forums/search.php

Thanks. I looked in the same place it appeard when I was logged on, but it wasn't there...
quote:
As for that post, I went through all your posts and couldn't find it, but I know I read what you are talking about. It most likely got deleted.

Indeed it must have been. Tkster has really cleaned out much of the dissenting posts. It's bad when one can not even point out dubious behaviour of moderators. Their intolerance of criticism is astounding.

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 10/17/2004 :  14:20:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
It's bad when one can not even point out dubious behaviour of moderators.


We will see what happens to me:

http://skeptictimes.golivewire.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=522

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2004 :  08:04:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
It appears they have their "rules" written in such a way that allows them to disregard anything they like, while efnorcing some rules on some posters.

Typical.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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furshur
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USA
1536 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  13:40:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Check out the medicine nutrition and health forum.

I learned from jimi that acidic body chemistry is responsible for cancer. (Coral calcuim should fix you right up.)

Tkgirl thinks antidepressents should be banned due to some teen suicides. (Eliminating antidepressents should really help that suicide rate.)

Skeptic times 'facts' on mercury:
Mercury is the cause of autism and alzheimers. (It must cause 'A' diseases.)
2 drops of mercury spilled on a gloved hand will cause death.
Vaccines are dangerous because of the mercury in them.

The gang at the skeptic times obviously only goes for sound science.
How freaking embarrasing....



If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

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4907 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  14:42:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
2 drops of mercury spilled on a gloved hand will cause death.


Dimethylmercury has the ability to be fatal with only a few microliters.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Mercury_(element)

Edit:

This is far from elemental Mercury though.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 10/26/2004 14:43:29
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  15:24:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
You could ingest a good deal of elemental mercury and come to no harm. It's the vapor that mercury releases, when exposed to air, that is harmfull when handling the stuff.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  15:59:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
You could ingest a good deal of elemental mercury and come to no harm. It's the vapor that mercury releases, when exposed to air, that is harmfull when handling the stuff.


So what makes the vapors so dangerous? Is it just how it enters the body, through the lungs?

And when you ingest mercury, you have to put it in your mouth, in which case it would still be giving off the vapors, right?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  18:21:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Mercury vapor is readily absorbed in the lungs. It's not all that easily absorbed when you ingest inorganic forms.

In water mercury is converted to methyl mercury by microorganisms, and is toxic if enough is ingested. It's biocumulative (which means you absorb but don't eliminate it) and can cause a variety of birth defects if parents have high levels and try to have a baby.

Have you ever heard the term "Mad as a Hatter"? European hat makers used to use a mercury compound to make hats retain a specific shape. Exposure to mercury vapors can make you crazy. The vapor is neurotoxic.

As a side note I should mention that the current president has removed almost all regulation from industry that pollutes mercury. Don't eat fish, or any game animal that eats fish.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26022 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  18:41:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
It's the long-term exposure (except to a foetus) which does harm, especially neurological harm. I recall seeing a documentary many years ago wherein they showed an 80-something-year-old man who ingested so much mercury-contaminated fish that he could no longer feel when the cigarette he held between his fingers was searing his flesh.

On the other hand, a temporary trip by liquid mercury through the body won't kill you. From what I understand, it used to be a standard "geek" prank at universities to swallow a blob of mercury, 'cause it winds up in your shorts in about 15 minutes. Not that I suggest doing so, because of the long-term risks involved (and, of course, if I've got the story wrong, whoever tries it will reap the "rewards" of the error, not me).

Here is a nice story about mercury.
if the spill is larger than a thermometer, it's considered a large spill... summon the full HazMat team.
Don't play with the stuff.

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9688 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2004 :  05:11:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Once again I'm locked out from Skeptic Times, and I can't find any post stating the reason why either.
I'd appreciate if someone who can PM over there, contact tkster and ask him what's up.

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Siberia
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Brazil
2322 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2004 :  08:11:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
lmao, people's ideas of science are so funny.

For fundies, they're quite depraved, too. I've paid a little trip to their sex education or whatever forum.

quote:
I learned from jimi that acidic body chemistry is responsible for cancer. (Coral calcuim should fix you right up.)

I wonder when they're getting that Nobel, then. This is some great news. [/sarcasm]

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13477 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2004 :  09:03:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
I am locked out too. I emailed tk to ask why. None of my posts are deleted. Wierd...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9688 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2004 :  18:58:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

I am locked out too. I emailed tk to ask why. None of my posts are deleted. Wierd...

Kevkev has been on a banning spree...

He banned you for something in the "anti-depressant induces suicide" thread, or maybe in my introduction thread. I need to read more though. None of the posts have explained why we were banned, only that we were.

This is in his signature:"272lbs, 6'2", 53" chest, 26" arms, 5.2% BF "

In a thread or two he's been bragging about workout, and seems to have some knowledge perhaps personal experience with steroids. Somehow, whenever I read his posts, or even his name, I imagine the stereotypical huge pumped-up African-American who prides himself with his medically/artificially enhanced muscles while not realising that his steroid-induced bad temper prevents him from using his brain for critical thinking. The general aggressiveness in his posts reinforce my prejudice.


Edited to add:
Kevkev posted 5 posts in as many minutes, while banning 4 members. If Kil and I were banned, I'd assume that River got too. Kevkev say River and CreationNoEvolve used the same IP-address, so he got banned for sock-puppeteering, true or not.
I figure Kil got caught guilty of association.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 11/07/2004 19:31:45
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