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Tim
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USA
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Posted - 07/20/2004 :  05:45:51  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126222,00.html

Do y'all think this was Ronstadt's fault? Does she have the right to express her opinions in an artistic performance?

For me, it seems, if we say ANYTHING not supporting our administration, then retalliation is sure to follow by those "real Americans." The management even threw her out of her suite!

I'm willing to bet that if it was Ted Nugent doing his show entirely dedicated to support of the administration and the attack on those that dissent, the 'liberal rioters' would have been thrown out. Ted would probably get positive press, and the radio talk show hosts would be dispairaging the 'rioters' rather than the artist.


"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004

gezzam
SFN Regular

Australia
751 Posts

Posted - 07/20/2004 :  06:11:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit gezzam's Homepage Send gezzam a Private Message
As an update to this kind of thing, the GOP wanted to the Dems to release the footage of Whoopi Goldberg saying mean things about Dubya...something about Bush's and vaginas....not really sure what, but probably funny...

Whoopi dumped over anti-Bush remarks

Got her dumped from Slim-Fast though....critique of this administration is a no go for your career obviously...

This great response from the Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill....reagrding this request and other stuff...

quote:
July 13, 2004

Ken Mehlman

Campaign Manager

BUSH-CHENEY '04, Inc.

P.O. BOX 10648

Arlington, VA 22210

Dear Ken:

Over the past several months, allies of the President have questioned John Kerry's patriotism while your staff has criticized his service in Vietnam. Republicans and their allies have gone so far as to launch attacks against his wife and your campaign has run $80 million in negative ads that have been called baseless, misleading and unfair by several independent observers.

Considering that the President has failed to even come close to keeping his promise to change the tone in Washington, we find your outrage over and paparazzi-like obsession with a fund- raising event to be misplaced. The fact is that the nation has a greater interest in seeing several documents made public relating to the President's performance in office and personal veracity that the White House has steadfastly refused to release. As such, we will not consider your request until the Bush campaign and White House make public the documents/materials listed below:

-- Military records: Any copies of the President's military records that would actually prove he fulfilled the terms of his military service. For that matter, it would be comforting to the American people if the campaign or the White House could produce more than just a single person to verify that the President was in Alabama when said he was there. Many Americans find it odd that only one person out of an entire squadron can recall seeing Mr. Bush.

-- Halliburton: All correspondence between the Defense Department and the White House regarding the no-bid contracts that have gone to the Vice-President's former company. Some material has already been made public. Why not take a campaign issue off the table by making all of these materials public so the voters can see how Halliburton has benefited from Mr. Cheney serving as Vice-President?

-- The Cheney Energy Task Force: For an Administration that claims to hate lawsuits, it's ironic that the Bush White House is taking up the Courts' time to keep the fact that Ken Lay and Enron wrote its energy policy in secret behind closed doors. Please release the documents so that the country can learn what lobbyists and special interests wrote the White House energy policy.

-- Medicare Bill: Please release all White House correspondence between the pharmaceutical industry and the Administration regarding the Medicare Bill, which gave billions to some of the President's biggest donors. In addition, please provide all written materials that directed the Medicare actuary to withhold information from Congress about the actual cost of the bill.

-- Prison Abuse Documents: A few weeks ago, the White House released a selected number of documents regarding the White House's involvement in laying the legal foundation for the interrogation methods that were used in Iraq. Please release the remaining documents.

We also wanted to wish you a happy anniversary. As we are sure you and the attorneys representing the President, Vice- President and other White House officials are aware, today marks one year since Administration sources leaked the identity of a covert CIA agent to Bob Novak in an effort to retaliate against a critic of the Administration.

In light of the fact that the Administration began gutting the laws protecting the nation's forests yesterday, we hope you will accept the paper on which this letter is written as an anniversary gift. (The one year anniversary is known as the "paper anniversary.")

Sincerely,

Mary Beth Cahill

Campaign Manager

---

Paid for by John Kerry for President, Inc.




Edited twice to fix links....

Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.

Al Franken
Edited by - gezzam on 07/20/2004 06:18:22
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gezzam
SFN Regular

Australia
751 Posts

Posted - 07/20/2004 :  06:30:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit gezzam's Homepage Send gezzam a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Tim

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126222,00.html

Do y'all think this was Ronstadt's fault? Does she have the right to express her opinions in an artistic performance?

For me, it seems, if we say ANYTHING not supporting our administration, then retalliation is sure to follow by those "real Americans." The management even threw her out of her suite!

I'm willing to bet that if it was Ted Nugent doing his show entirely dedicated to support of the administration and the attack on those that dissent, the 'liberal rioters' would have been thrown out. Ted would probably get positive press, and the radio talk show hosts would be dispairaging the 'rioters' rather than the artist.





Tim, how many times do I have to tell ya....stop watching FOX News...its bad for you sanity...I can personally vouch for it...

Watch it too much and you might be "Hannitized" into "A no spin zone"

Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.

Al Franken
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend

USA
424 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2004 :  15:29:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send NubiWan a Private Message
Welp, having not being there, had to rely on the net and papers for what actually happened. Dunno for sure, but when I go to a "show," its usually to escape reality for a few minutes, yet think entertainers do have a right to express themselves, when so moved, too. From what I've read, seemed simple enough, Ronstadt dedicated some song to Bush, for an encore to infer he was on his way out. And there was some word of a "tip-of-the-hat" to Moore for his work as well. As I understand it, it wasn't all that long winded, and there are those in Vegas, that think it was an overreaction and an embarrasment for sin city. Seems like a 'slow news day' story to me.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000581729

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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2004 :  17:51:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
The current administration used the "un-American" label for anyone who doesn't agree with them.

It's quite sickening actually.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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@tomic
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USA
4607 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2004 :  18:44:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
I think it should cut both ways. I think if someone decides to praise the President at some event then I guess I should go ape shit and cause a rucous and generally be annoying until someone has to cave and I get my way. Hmmm, living with a six year old makes this seem like deja vu all over again...

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