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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 08/02/2004 : 09:37:50 [Permalink]
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Again, coberst, I am not willing to sit at your feet and call you master. It is the height of arrogance to think any thought you have is necessarily new. Sure, share your epiphanies but don't assume that because you have a thought, it is original to all. That is the kind of arrogance that leads others to dismiss you as a bore. Every bit of flame directed in your direction has been the result of you regarding those who question you as closed minded. If you are an intellectual god, why not just come out and proclaim it? Actually, you have in so many words.
I would be happy to see you join the critical thinking community, however, you do not seem willing to view us as anything more than monkeys (or is it turtles) when we have the unmitigated gall to ask you questions about your assertions. If you really have cornered the market on truth, let me know by showing me a sign. If you really are a god, show me a sign because I have always wanted to meet you. If not, show some humility. You can start by going over the replies to what you have written and consider what is really being said in response. If your ego will not allow that, seek therapy and then come back when you are better able to employ critical thinking on yourself...
You have opened yourself up to peer review by posting here. And peer review is a part of critical thinking. Your reactions to criticism tell me that you are not up to the task of critical thinking and all that it involves. Your reaction to critisism is to call all who don't agree with you "turtles." That, my friend, is fundamentalism, not critical thinking. Sorry about your obvious insecurity's. Again, perhaps
you should seek professional help. Who knows? That may lead to a better understanding of who you are, how you got that way, and provide you with the tools for understanding who we are. Then, you might actually become a valuable advocate for critical thinking...
One more thing. Some of us consider your identical postings on various critical thinking and skeptic sites as spamming. We are looking into what we can do about it...
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 09:57:16 [Permalink]
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He's almost Piperian in his devotion to ideas which are not his own. He's not as off the beaten path as Piper/Seethruart, but his blind devotion to anonymous authority is striking. As is his repeated calls for the intelligencia to shepard the young into a new age of critical thinking.
Problem is, he wouldn't recognize critical thinking if it took off his aft end. Just posting truisms and supposed truisms isn't enough. You have to be able to defend them. |
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Dave W.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 11:42:12 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
You might, Valiant Dancer, explain who Seethruart is, for those here not in the know.
Point taken.
For those members who are unfamiliar with the methods of the user known on the BABB as Piper and other skeptic sites as Seethruart and other monikers, the individual in question insisted that mini-anaomalies existed on the surface of the moon or other planets which were claimed to be evidence of a hoax for the moon missions and evidence of visitiation by an ancient civilization.
He did these by examining digitized pictures from the Lunar Surface Journal and other exploration missions on his computer monitor with a magnifying glass.
He then claimed that anyone who disagreed with him was covering up the truth and delusional. He went to such lengths to assert how he was right and everyone else was wrong even claiming he was being hunted by the government. His arguements usually reached an almost fanatical fever pitch worthy of David Koresh in his blind devotion to his ideas.
He spawned this webpage from a clever person in the skeptic community who saw the need for an outlet for his madness.
http://www.geocities.com/piperanonymous/main.html
Many of the old BABBers here who were around before the change to the BABB software remember him and cringe. (We haven't drunk enough to kill off those brain cells.)
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N C More
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 13:15:37 [Permalink]
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| Wow, I missed Piper, sounds like quite a ride! I was around however, for MAP and his "photographic evidence" for life on Mars. This fellow saw "little people" in the rover photos and was very insistent that this constituted proof of life on Mars. Nothing could persuade him otherwise. I gather that this was a similar situation with this Piper fellow? |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 14:26:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by N C More
Wow, I missed Piper, sounds like quite a ride! I was around however, for MAP and his "photographic evidence" for life on Mars. This fellow saw "little people" in the rover photos and was very insistent that this constituted proof of life on Mars. Nothing could persuade him otherwise. I gather that this was a similar situation with this Piper fellow?
He insisted that there were structures that you could see on the pictures. When it was pointed out numerous times that the pictures were 1) digitized and 2) compressed and what he was likely seeing was jpeg artifacts due to compression errors, he claimed that he had "clean" jpegs that did not have such things. Even suggesting that such compression errors do not exist. Several rounds of evidence presented to him bounced off with no effect to his increasingly delusional rants.
He claimed to be the only one on the board that was capable of understanding the Truth(tm) and that either we were all "NASA groupies" or "NASA employees". He went so far as to accuse Dr. Phil Plait of being a NASA employee. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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N C More
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 16:37:51 [Permalink]
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I too would be highly flattered to be thought of as a NASA employee or a "paid disinformation agent"(another favorite woo woo label). Alas, I'm not nearly that smart!  |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 16:44:58 [Permalink]
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| Well, when you realize that in the minds of many of these people, "NASA Employee" is a grave insult, it just makes you feel, well, insulted. I base this on numerous occasions upon which I have been called a pharmaceutical researcher, just for defending modern drugs as not all being "poisons." Of course, I've also been accused of being a drug-company thug many times, as well. There, the insult isn't so hidden. |
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Wulfstan
New Member
USA
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Posted - 08/03/2004 : 03:16:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by coberst
Of course, a new idea, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It appears to be human nature to do a turtle before they know what is going on. However, if one does a turtle while also doing a negative then one cannot later do a flip-flop because the ego will not permit it. Write this all down we may have an exam later.
So, uh, Coberst, you haven't drank the hemlock yet, have you?
It doesn't look like you'll be going to the Olympics.
Personally, I had mock turtle soup for dinner last night.
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N C More
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/03/2004 : 18:38:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wulfstan
It doesn't look like you'll be going to the Olympics.
Hmmm...Critical Thinking Olympics! So, if I can achieve a "negative turtle" with a "flip-flop" dismount do I make the team?  |
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SciFi Chick
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 08:17:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sweet
Wow, Scifi Chick and Ricky, you are just a stone throw from me! At some point time and money willing I'd like to get my PhD in Philosphy at UVA
Hi Sweet!
I just now noticed your post. I overlooked it before. 
What area do you plan to get your Ph.D. in? |
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sweet
New Member
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 15:35:27 [Permalink]
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| HI Scifi chick, If I make it back I am pursuing a PhD in Philosophy, but that will likely be a few years down the road. Right now I have an enormous student loan from my BA that I would like to pay down before adding to the heap. UVA is not too far up the road from me, so I'll likely go there, or to Roanoke (can't remember which school had the Philosophy program). |
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